Illini Basketball 2022-2023

#355      
Can I just go ahead and BEG that the Krush makes its roadtrip the Iowa game? Assuming the kids prefer a weekend roadtrip (I would!), these are the options this year:

Saturday 1/28 at Wisconsin - Meh
Saturday 2/4 - Ding ding ding!
Saturday 2/18 at Indiana - Probably hard to get tickets together
Sunday 2/26 at Ohio State - LONG roadtrip for a Sunday if you ask me...
Sunday 3/5 at Purdue - Also usually sold out

It's easily the best combination of a huge game where we might need the boost yet also an arena that isn't that hard to get tickets to. I'll be there, and I cannot wait, and I would love nothing more than to see thousands of Illini fans invade and paint the place orange! In February of 2005, there were 6,000 Illini fans plus the Krush in Carver-Hawkeye Arena, and it might have been the most glorious thing I've ever seen.
 
#356      
There are some Black Friday ticket deals for Illini 10.00 tickets for Bethune-Cookman, and a group of 4 tickets for 25.00 a piece against Northwestern and same for Nebraska
 
#359      
Bored at work so I decided to do a little conference update. I wanted to see which teams are exceeding expectations early in the season. I also listed each teams record against the top 50, because some of these teams still haven't played anyone relevant. Biggest takeaway is our December conference games are looking much tougher than anticipated.

Indiana
11 to 9
Top 50: 1-0

Illinois
14 to 18
Top 50: 1-1

Maryland
52 to 21
Top 50: 1-0

Iowa
30 to 23
Top 50: 1-0

Michigan St
26 to 24
Top 50: 2-1

Purdue
31 to 30
Top 50: N/A

Ohio St
66 to 40
Top 50: 0-1

Rutgers
56 to 44
Top 50: N/A

Penn St
81 to 49
Top 50: 0-1

Wisconsin
60 to 50
Top 50: 1-0

Michigan
38 to 59
Top 50: 0-1

Northwestern
96 to 66
Top 50: N/A

Nebraska
91 to 99
Top 50: N/A

Minnesota
165 to 166
Top 50: N/A
 
#360      
Bored at work so I decided to do a little conference update. I wanted to see which teams are exceeding expectations early in the season. I also listed each teams record against the top 50, because some of these teams still haven't played anyone relevant. Biggest takeaway is our December conference games are looking much tougher than anticipated.

Indiana
11 to 9
Top 50: 1-0

Illinois
14 to 18
Top 50: 1-1

Maryland
52 to 21
Top 50: 1-0

Iowa
30 to 23
Top 50: 1-0

Michigan St
26 to 24
Top 50: 2-1

Purdue
31 to 30
Top 50: N/A

Ohio St
66 to 40
Top 50: 0-1

Rutgers
56 to 44
Top 50: N/A

Penn St
81 to 49
Top 50: 0-1

Wisconsin
60 to 50
Top 50: 1-0

Michigan
38 to 59
Top 50: 0-1

Northwestern
96 to 66
Top 50: N/A

Nebraska
91 to 99
Top 50: N/A

Minnesota
165 to 166
Top 50: N/A
Love to see which direction Michigan is trending.......
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#361      

Joel Goodson

dawgville
more evidence that Hawkins doesn't need to score to have an impact:
Great discussion from The Athletic's draft guy (Vecenie) touching on Hawkins, TSJ, Dainja, and the frosh guards.
Considering he analyzes college hoops through the way things could ultimately fit in the NBA, it's promising to see us so attractive to that perspective.


Vecenie's one of the best draft guys, maybe the best. What he says about Hawkins is pretty revealing,
 
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#362      

Punesguy

Ft. Collins, CO
more evidence that Hawkins doesn't need to score to have an impact:


Vecenie's one of the best draft guys, maybe the best. What he says about Hawkins is pretty revealing,
Coleman, if you have watched the video and are reading this, pleeeeeeeease don't let it go to your head! Keep working hard, improve your mid-range jumper, be a leader and you will rewarded with a great experience this year and make lots of money next year!
 
#363      
more evidence that Hawkins doesn't need to score to have an impact:


Vecenie's one of the best draft guys, maybe the best. What he says about Hawkins is pretty revealing,

It's kind of an obvious thing to say, but preventing a bucket on one end is as valuable as scoring one on the other. From a stats perspective, it's a bit more complicated if you use average points per possession, but a good defender can contribute a lot.

Side note: although it seems like another year without an elite team in the conference, I could see 8-10 teams making the dance.
 
#364      
It's kind of an obvious thing to say, but preventing a bucket on one end is as valuable as scoring one on the other. From a stats perspective, it's a bit more complicated if you use average points per possession, but a good defender can contribute a lot.

Side note: although it seems like another year without an elite team in the conference, I could see 8-10 teams making the dance.
Kinda obvious to say, but doing both is a good thing.
 
#365      
more evidence that Hawkins doesn't need to score to have an impact:


Vecenie's one of the best draft guys, maybe the best. What he says about Hawkins is pretty revealing,
The money is in the league, not college basketball. To get to the league, he better knocks down some shots. . (Dear Coleman, please do not read the 2nd half of the post after this. It's not going to help you.) But truth to be told, I think he is talented enough to be selected in the 2nd round just by his defense and passing.
 
#366      
It's kind of an obvious thing to say, but preventing a bucket on one end is as valuable as scoring one on the other. From a stats perspective, it's a bit more complicated if you use average points per possession, but a good defender can contribute a lot.

Side note: although it seems like another year without an elite team in the conference, I could see 8-10 teams making the dance.

You could almost make the argument that Hawkins is this years Damonte. The "ignore the stat sheet" guy, because he affects the game in ways you can't really record in numbers.

Of course the difference is Hawkins offensive ceiling is so much higher. Hawkins at his best offensively makes us almost unstoppable, IMO. So while Damonte was revered by fans for being the glue guy, Hawkins will be judged much differently.
 
#367      
Great discussion from The Athletic's draft guy (Vecenie) touching on Hawkins, TSJ, Dainja, and the frosh guards.
Considering he analyzes college hoops through the way things could ultimately fit in the NBA, it's promising to see us so attractive to that perspective.


A bit much. Enjoyable listen if you just want to be fluffed.
 
#368      
The money is in the league, not college basketball. To get to the league, he better knocks down some shots. . (Dear Coleman, please do not read the 2nd half of the post after this. It's not going to help you.) But truth to be told, I think he is talented enough to be selected in the 2nd round just by his defense and passing.
Who would be your comp in the last ten years for not hitting shots but getting drafted on defense and passing?
 
#370      
Who would be your comp in the last ten years for not hitting shots but getting drafted on defense and passing?
Ben Simmon? (JK) If he completely screws on shooting like Ben, no his chances are not as good. But if he shoots like what he has been doing, let's say it ends up 30-35% FGP 3 pointer (incremental improvement from last year. ) I would say his defense/passing is good enough to carry him to 2nd round. The ideal case for us is he becomes an above 35% 3 point shooter.
 
#371      
Can I just go ahead and BEG that the Krush makes its roadtrip the Iowa game? Assuming the kids prefer a weekend roadtrip (I would!), these are the options this year:

Saturday 1/28 at Wisconsin - Meh
Saturday 2/4 - Ding ding ding!
Saturday 2/18 at Indiana - Probably hard to get tickets together
Sunday 2/26 at Ohio State - LONG roadtrip for a Sunday if you ask me...
Sunday 3/5 at Purdue - Also usually sold out

It's easily the best combination of a huge game where we might need the boost yet also an arena that isn't that hard to get tickets to. I'll be there, and I cannot wait, and I would love nothing more than to see thousands of Illini fans invade and paint the place orange! In February of 2005, there were 6,000 Illini fans plus the Krush in Carver-Hawkeye Arena, and it might have been the most glorious thing I've ever seen.
Not for sure yet but good chance I will be there @Fighter of the Nightman
 
#372      
Who would be your comp in the last ten years for not hitting shots but getting drafted on defense and passing?
Without doing a deep dive...Patrick Williams averaged 9.2 ppg for that very good Florida St team as a Fr.

From NBAdraft.net on Williams
An explosive, “freakish” combo forward with intriguing upside, especially as a defender
 
#373      
Without doing a deep dive...Patrick Williams averaged 9.2 ppg for that very good Florida St team as a Fr.

From NBAdraft.net on Williams
An explosive, “freakish” combo forward with intriguing upside, especially as a defender
Jr. vs Fr. I think CoHawk has moved a bit past the potential stage to the production stage. Might be able to make it with lower numbers, but not as easy as it is for a Frosh.

I like the Thybulle comp though.
 
#374      
Jr. vs Fr. I think CoHawk has moved a bit past the potential stage to the production stage. Might be able to make it with lower numbers, but not as easy as it is for a Frosh.

I like the Thybulle comp though.
Based on Brad, Peyton Watson is a comp but he is only 6'8" and played one year in college. From the same article, DJ Wilson seems to be a better comp, who is 6'10" and played three years at Michigan. 17th pick for NBA.

 
#375      

DICKnaggie

Champaign
Great discussion from The Athletic's draft guy (Vecenie) touching on Hawkins, TSJ, Dainja, and the frosh guards.
Considering he analyzes college hoops through the way things could ultimately fit in the NBA, it's promising to see us so attractive to that perspective.

The parts about TSJ in this vid should simply be copied into the recruiting vid for transfer portal prospects.