Illini Basketball 2023-2024

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#151      
Your right Skyy Clark was coming off injury and I for one never said DGL was better than Skyy. I think Skyy will end up being very good. That said I do not think BU pays attention to rankings. Once they start playing I don't either. It appears obvious that DGL is a better athlete than Epps. That DGL is quicker, jumps higher, handles the ball better and has a better shot. I don't look at rankings. Hell Trey Burke was a 6'1" 170lb, outside the top 100 and was as tough a college PG as anyone. When you can tell BU is trying not to pour on too much praise and is clearly giddy about DGL, it is for a reason. It may be why after Ray J we didn't add anyone. Its different with him. He flat out said DGL is going to play and play a lot. It is not just a practice report when it is an open practuce. It was a practice report when he dunked on TSJ, I would have loved to have seen that but your right it is not the same as seeing it. DGL was the most impressive player on the court at the open practice and its fine to be optimistic about it. BU certainly is. Others saw the practice and some moved us from 6th to third so its not just illini fans that feel this way.. Go Illini
1. I don't care that much about his height and weight. Does he have the skills?

2. We don't know if DGL has a better shot than Epps. We won't know until he plays in a college game. People are citing all these qualities he has w/o actually seeing him in real action. We do know he can jump high. After that, we'll see.

3. I hope BU doesn't pay attention to rankings. While higher-ranked players generally are better, lots of guys are over or under-ranked.
 
#153      
1. I don't care that much about his height and weight. Does he have the skills?

2. We don't know if DGL has a better shot than Epps. We won't know until he plays in a college game. People are citing all these qualities he has w/o actually seeing him in real action. We do know he can jump high. After that, we'll see.

3. I hope BU doesn't pay attention to rankings. While higher-ranked players generally are better, lots of guys are over or under-ranked.
I disagree with the thought BU or others dont have a very strong idea what kind of shooters we are recruiting out of high school or as transfer, plus they know how to evaluate them. Thats one reason we wanted the kid that went to ND. He is also an elite shooter. If they can't evaluate then they are over paid. Its pretty obvious DGL has arc, form and a much better looking shot than Epps. Plus, he has hit them at a high percentage. Especailly when players are coming from likely the best high school program in the country where he has played vs elite talent. Now vs those he is competing against for minutes, he is getting to his spots and knocking down shots. He may not shoot over 40 percent like in high school but he will out shoot Ty and Harris from anywhere on the court. Thats pretty obvious.We saw that in the open practice. It also was never a strength of Harris or Ty. Also, Ty, Harris and others are not making it easy on DGL, they want his spot. They arent giving it to him, just the opposite they want those minutes. Every practice is a battle. BU is fired up for a reason.
 
#154      
I disagree with the thought BU or others dont have a very strong idea what kind of shooters we are recruiting out of high school or as transfer, plus they know how to evaluate them. Thats one reason we wanted the kid that went to ND. He is also an elite shooter. If they can't evaluate then they are over paid. Its pretty obvious DGL has arc, form and a much better looking shot than Epps. Plus, he has hit them at a high percentage. Especailly when players are coming from likely the best high school program in the country where he has played vs elite talent. Now vs those he is competing against for minutes, he is getting to his spots and knocking down shots. He may not shoot over 40 percent like in high school but he will out shoot Ty and Harris from anywhere on the court. Thats pretty obvious.We saw that in the open practice. It also was never a strength of Harris or Ty. Also, Ty, Harris and others are not making it easy on DGL, they want his spot. They arent giving it to him, just the opposite they want those minutes. Every practice is a battle. BU is fired up for a reason.
Agree with this except in regards to Epps shooting. He could shoot. Just wasn’t a PG and couldn’t defend against larger players. Not sure what the problem was last year but his shooting nos were typical of the team.
 
#155      
Agree with this except in regards to Epps shooting. He could shoot. Just wasn’t a PG and couldn’t defend against larger players. Not sure what the problem was last year but his shooting nos were typical of the team.
Epps was an ok shooter but his numbers from three coming in were not around 43.5% percent like I've heard DGLs were. DGLs shot looks very good to me. I always liked a nice arcing shot like his
 
#156      
I was going to mention Barkley myself. He not only made a career playing by the basket at 6"4' 1/2, he was a dominant force. Ty with his rebounding knack could definitely be a solid 4 while here at Illinois.
Even though Barkley was a freakish athlete for his size he weighed around 300 pounds at one time
 
#158      
Even though Barkley was a freakish athlete for his size he weighed around 300 pounds at one time
It was just holiday weight... Lay off!

He was really good at grabbing the rebound and going coast to coast like a freight train. Once he got his weight down he was like the juggernaut with the ball.
 
#160      
DGL
Harris
Shannon
Rodgers
Coleman

Such a funky lineup..it might just work.
Thats last year just swapped DGL for Epps. I want more open lanes and shooting too! Ty will start the year but I hope DGL is in there and ready by March if not sooner.

DGL/Ty/Harris
TSJ/Harmon
Goode/Domask/Quincy
Domask/Hawkins/Quincy
Hawkins/Dain/Quincy

3 or 4 Solid shooters on the floor as much as possible and solid passing Hawkins who is a streaky shooter too. Versatile, solid, long, experienced line up that can shoot.
 
#161      
Ty
TJ
Quincy
Coleman
Dainja

DGL
TJ
Domask
Goode
Guerrier

Ty
TJ
Goode
Rodgers
Dainja

DGL
Harris
Harmon
Quincy
Coleman

The amount of different lineups we could throw at opponents, and the vibe of each of those line ups is so different.

We can have a big PG, or a little quick twitch PG

Dainja and Coleman are very different style players at the 5.. Amani might have the most versatile bag down low. Him, Dain & Morez down low next year should be a top 3 front court in the conference.

Harris IMO is one of the best POA defenders in the big ten, if not the country with his speed, reaction time, hands, quickness, size…

We have guys who can play the 3 & 4 that can shoot in Domask/Guerrier/Goode.. & Guerrier is such a great depth, given he can really get plugged in the 3-5 on both sides of the ball and be effective.

Harmon will be a wild card, but we know we are getting a mature player who has started on a good winning team. That’s super valuable to have.


This teams gonna be really good.
 
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Certainly don’t understand what his natural position is. At 6’6” he is undersized at the four and 2 and 3’s generally are better shooters than the avg PG. He can be a DaMonte type defensive specialist but am hoping for a higher ceiling than that. Actually see his shooting weakness less of a problem as a distributor where he can cause the defense to collapse to stop his bully ball and leave three point shooters open.
Ty's natural position is an undersized 4. Think Roger Powell (also 6'6") with better natural rebounding ability and a worse shot. I'll still say that I think Ty is a few post moves and consistent short jumper (not even midrange) or hook away from being a dominant 4 in the B10. His offensive rebounding ability is just that good. College ball is different than the pro game- Ty is still working on his game and growing, but I see him really thriving as a 4 if we allow him to and have some penetration and outside shooting threats to open things up.
 
#164      
Certainly don’t understand what his natural position is. At 6’6” he is undersized at the four and 2 and 3’s generally are better shooters than the avg PG. He can be a DaMonte type defensive specialist but am hoping for a higher ceiling than that. Actually see his shooting weakness less of a problem as a distributor where he can cause the defense to collapse to stop his bully ball and leave three point shooters open.
6'6 really isn't that undersized at the 4 at the college level. You see the occasional real big teams but most teams are playing guys between 6'6-6'8 at the 4. You even see a lot of guys that are 6'8 playing center at a lot of schools.

Roger Powell Jr was a 6'6 4 and he was great.
 
#165      
Ty's natural position is an undersized 4. Think Roger Powell (also 6'6") with better natural rebounding ability and a worse shot. I'll still say that I think Ty is a few post moves and consistent short jumper (not even midrange) or hook away from being a dominant 4 in the B10. His offensive rebounding ability is just that good. College ball is different than the pro game- Ty is still working on his game and growing, but I see him really thriving as a 4 if we allow him to and have some penetration and outside shooting threats to open things up.
Roger had a college career 3 pt avg. of .398. He could shoot! He also weighed 235 per the roster. Don’t think he is a very good comparison to Ty. Think you will find it difficult to find a 6’6” power forward that can’t shoot.
 
#166      
6'6 really isn't that undersized at the 4 at the college level. You see the occasional real big teams but most teams are playing guys between 6'6-6'8 at the 4. You even see a lot of guys that are 6'8 playing center at a lot of schools.

Roger Powell Jr was a 6'6 4 and he was great.
Just because I was bored...According to Sports Reference, only 13 of the 77 forwards in the Big Ten last year were under 6'7" and that includes 3s and 4s.

So I would say 6'6" is on the smaller side for a B1G 4.

I do like the Reverend comp though. Roger was a better shooter and had more in his bag down low than Ty has now. But Ty is a better ball handler and passer. Both had/have a great nose for the ball and thrive on hustle plays.
 
#167      
Just because I was bored...According to Sports Reference, only 13 of the 77 forwards in the Big Ten last year were under 6'7" and that includes 3s and 4s.

So I would say 6'6" is on the smaller side for a B1G 4.

I do like the Reverend comp though. Roger was a better shooter and had more in his bag down low than Ty has now. But Ty is a better ball handler and passer. Both had/have a great nose for the ball and thrive on hustle plays.
I'm not saying it is a bad comparison.... because of their size, but Rog was a clear post player that could shoot a little bit, and I'm not sure we know what kind of player Ty is. Because of his lack of shooting and his rebounding abilities, it would have been labeled a 4 for sure last year, but because of his ball handling, passing, and quickness, he could easily be labeled a 3.... BUT he will be a 1 this year, at least to start the year, so it is hard to compare anyone to him....maybe people start comparing him to Black from Arkansas or Ben Simmons (NBA version). We'll see...
 
#170      
Roger had a college career 3 pt avg. of .398. He could shoot! He also weighed 235 per the roster. Don’t think he is a very good comparison to Ty. Think you will find it difficult to find a 6’6” power forward that can’t shoot.
Really the comparison to Roger was just about the height and position as they really don't have much in common with regards to playstyle outside of effort on the offensive boards. It was more in response to people acting like they've never seen a 6'6" power forward before. Roger definitely could shoot and it kept defenders honest allowing him to blow by them off the ball for both rebounds and space to get off short jumpers. Roger also had the body for a power game.

Ty is far more slithery and has truly outstanding natural positioning ability. Last year as a freshman, he was beating pretty much everyone in the B10 1on1 for offensive rebounds. His offense wasn't there obviously, but I'm not sure he actually needs all that much to get that offense. While we tend to look at players who are able to get themselves space, he's more of a player that just being out on the court opens space up for others. You need to account for him on the boards and as such, can't cheat all that much off him inside. As such there should be more room for penetration and driving the ball to the rack as you either cheat off him to help and allow him a good look at a putback rebound or you stay with him and give the driver an easier look at a layup. Really I think all Ty needs is a few inside moves and then a consistent 3-8'short jumper or hook.

Point I'm trying to make is that 6'6" undersized PFs are uncommon in P5 play but do indeed exist and in college level you don't necessarily need to have the complete bag or skillset, just the skills you do have need to make up for your deficiencies.

And just to throw gasoline on the fire, really, I think Ty's best comparable right now from a natural ability and size perspective is probably a college aged Dennis Rodman (6'7") before he got his trademark nastiness. His natural positioning and nose for rebounds is just elite for his age. Just needs a little more to become a really good college player in my opinion
 
#172      
While Ty can play PG, it is not his natural position. He is capable of playing PG but is better suited elsewhere and after this season I expect him to slide into that role. If DGL can be a solid starting PG later this season then Ty may play more 3 or 4 and lead to more minutes for Harris at PG.
The "aspirational" comparison for Ty has been Draymond Green - smart, good defender, good passer, excellent rebounder, mediocre shooter, but a guy who helps you win games in lots of ways. He also doesn't fit precisely into any of the prototypical #1-#5 slots either. Let's hope Ty can have a similar effect on helping us win games without worrying where he's slotted into the lineup.
 
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The "aspirational" comparison for Ty has been Draymond Green - smart, good defender, good passer, mediocre shooter, but a guy who helps you win games in lots of ways. He also doesn't fit precisely into any of the prototypical #1-#5 slots either. Let's hope Ty can have a similar effect on helping us win games without worrying where he's slotted into the lineup.
I never thought he was Draymond. He certainly has strengths and weaknesses. He strengths are around most beneficial near the hoop. Ty excells attacking the boards, getting extra possessions, and being a solid defender. He can certainly fill in about anywhere but I hope DGL, Harris, or Harmon can help fill the 1 so he can some.
 
#174      
Every year we (and I'm sure other fanbases) worry about how to get everyone minutes during the summer and fall...just wait til January when we are hoping to get good enough play so Hawkins and Shannon don't have to play 38 mins a night...I'm actually pretty optimistic about this team but we're never as deep as what we think. There will be plenty of minutes available.
 
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