Illini Basketball 2023-2024

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mysterio2525

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Zorak said:
Kind of hoped to see Coleman on here, not to be greedy.
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It's not greedy it's just he is more of do a lot of things well vs do 1 or 2 things exceptional type of player. Lot of his value is hard to quantify so he will be under the radar by nature. I do see him on 3rd team all big ten at least to start the season just not first team
 
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cjw1901 said:
Lots of good points made above on this key issue. One thing to keep in mind on the Goode vs. Domask comparisons is that Domask played about twice as many minutes per game last season as Goode did, so I recommend looking at either per-shot stats like shooting percentages or doubling all of Goode's per-game stats to compare them with Domask's. So, Goode might have gotten close to 8 rpg, 2 apt, 2.6 spg, and 2 bpg had he played as many minutes per game as Domask did last season. So, Goode's stats from last season look better than Domask's when you consider this.

Yeah, it's true. Domask had a lot of good defenders on him, and all the guys need to play well for IL to play their best. It's also true the Goode had more go-to IL scorers on the court with him, so he could be selective in his shots. In that sense, Goode is more adjusted to his role with IL, and Domask needs to adjust his game to IL this season, especially if he starts. I think Goode should play about 25 mpg as a starter, and Domask should play about 15 mpg as a sub, but these roles could change based on how these guys do. Hopefully, both play great, and Underwood has to give both of them about 20 mins per game, just because they both deserve it, and we have can only have one role player like this on the court because Shannon is healthy and killing it as our leading scorer.
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Goode is a spot up shooter with very little ability to get his own shot. If Ty is a good assist point guard Goode will get good shots and be helpful to the team.
 
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Rap47 said:
Goode is a spot up shooter with very little ability to get his own shot. If Ty is a good assist point guard Goode will get good shots and be helpful to the team.
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One more opinion. Goode has played very limited in his 2 seasons. Why and how can anyone say he's a better Defender than Domasks? Goode has proven when playing Defense, he is not very goode!! Gets lost and is slow.
 
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Battle89

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skyIdub said:
Ahhhh...yeah, nowhere in my post did I blame workers. I said your industry.

I'm also not here to extend this silliness. I appreciate all employees who dedicate themselves to their craft or service. And funnily enough, every time I'm in a venue, I always look up and marvel at the intricacy of all the behind the scenes, critical work(ers).

Also to be clear, I'm not advocating piracy, but as you stated....it's far bigger issues that create the dysfunction and costs.
Definitely not here to debate all of that.

Also, is Ellen a reference to the talk show host? Not following exactly, but if we're talking about daytime hosts, I identify more as a Bob Barker...or maybe Regis.
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I'd like to know what makes up the pension credits in the IATSE agreement.

If they are profit-sharing based, then the union should be all for corporate greed, as they will benefit from it.

If rather they are fixed contributions, then the pirating does not hurt the union at all, other than the company crying poor at the next negotiations (which they would do anyway).
 
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Emerson Bigguns

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cjw1901 said:
Lots of good points made above on this key issue. One thing to keep in mind on the Goode vs. Domask comparisons is that Domask played about twice as many minutes per game last season as Goode did, so I recommend looking at either per-shot stats like shooting percentages or doubling all of Goode's per-game stats to compare them with Domask's. So, Goode might have gotten close to 8 rpg, 2 apt, 2.6 spg, and 2 bpg had he played as many minutes per game as Domask did last season. So, Goode's stats from last season look better than Domask's when you consider this.

Yeah, it's true. Domask had a lot of good defenders on him, and all the guys need to play well for IL to play their best. It's also true the Goode had more go-to IL scorers on the court with him, so he could be selective in his shots. In that sense, Goode is more adjusted to his role with IL, and Domask needs to adjust his game to IL this season, especially if he starts. I think Goode should play about 25 mpg as a starter, and Domask should play about 15 mpg as a sub, but these roles could change based on how these guys do. Hopefully, both play great, and Underwood has to give both of them about 20 mins per game, just because they both deserve it, and we have can only have one role player like this on the court because Shannon is healthy and killing it as our leading scorer.
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I don’t really see Domask as a “role player” on this team. On offense, he’s probably Robin to TSJ’s Batman. We have a kid who is in the top 25 all time in PPG and minutes played in the MVC, and we think he’s getting a bit part on an unranked Illini team?
A lot of knocks on his defense in the last few pages too… He’s been in the Top 5 in defensive win shares in the Valley every year he has been healthy.
I know some might look at the Valley as a bunch of scrubs, but the best Illini team in a decade got their clock cleaned by a Valley team in the tournament a couple years ago. They’ve got players. Marcus has been one since day one.
 
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cjw1901 said:
Right, this very tempting. I looked at these numbers tonight. It looks wonderful if Domask could score even 13 pts/game for IL (down from 16.7 pts/game for SIU), while Shannon averages about 19 pts/game.

But here's the problem with that...

I don't think Shannon could get enough shots to score 19 pts/game, if Domask took the attempts, that he would need, to score 13 pts/game with IL (which is a BUNCH of shots). So, instead, IL is going to have to consider who is the more reliable/efficient scorer. Based on last season's numbers, that is Shannon.

So, unless Domask can increase his shooting percentages across the board from last year (worse FG % than Goode, worse 3pt % than Goode, and worse FT % than Goode), then I don't see how Underwood can start Domask in front of Goode and, effectively, reduce the looks for our most efficient scorer, Shannon.
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He's a better all around player than Goode. Or at least from what I've seen from Goode.

Though it's really a mute point because I think their best lineup has one of them playing small ball 4. Rodgers, Shannon, Domask, Goode, and Hawkins has great size from 1-5, plenty of shooting, ball handling, and playmaking ability.
 
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RockfordIllini said:
I know we are in peak Koolaid season, but I’m starting to get more and more optimistic we can contend for the BIG title. And what’s giving me optimism is I actually think we match up pretty well with Purdue if we play them right.

With our length, athleticism and physicality, we should be able to bother Smith and Loyer. Edey can’t score if they can’t make a post feed. And if it were me, I would pick up Smith full court all game rotating Ty, Sencire, Harmon, and potentially DGL depending on what he shows defensively. Always have a fresh body hounding him.

And if Dain is in as good of shape as his mile time indicates, I’m telling him and Coleman to sprint down the floor after every defensive rebound we get. Make Edey run his tail off for 30+ minutes.

They have a lot of other good players but I think we have guys who can guard Gillis, Furst, and TKR.

I would guard Edey straight up but make him sprint all game and try to deny every entry pass. Hug their other shooters. Edey May still get 30 but I’m not sure they could score enough to beat us.

So Purdue may be the better team but sometimes it’s just about matchups. If we can sweep Purdue (I know, tall order), I think we have a shot, even with our schedule.
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I agree with everything except guarding Edey straight up. Should be constantly throwing different looks at him.

However, that being said if he puts the ball on the ground you should immediately be sending a double team.

Don't necessarily always want to double on the initial pass where it makes an easy kick out but I'd double from the backside everytime he puts the ball on the floor.
 
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Battle89 said:
I'd like to know what makes up the pension credits in the IATSE agreement.

If they are profit-sharing based, then the union should be all for corporate greed, as they will benefit from it.

If rather they are fixed contributions, then the pirating does not hurt the union at all, other than the company crying poor at the next negotiations (which they would do anyway).
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Id rather just see the employees own the company and make the appropriate amount.
 
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jimbo72 said:
One more opinion. Goode has played very limited in his 2 seasons. Why and how can anyone say he's a better Defender than Domasks? Goode has proven when playing Defense, he is not very goode!! Gets lost and is slow.
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Agree the opinions on Goode are based on limited minutes. While never an uber athlete, he seems like a very smart player who anticipated passes well and was often in the right place at the right time to be an effective defender.

My opinion is debating who is going to start right now is a fool's errand, and may be fluid depending on matchups. There seems to be more quality depth on this team than any I can remember, especially if Hansberry and DGL are able to contribute effectively. We should win a lot of games due to our #6-10 being more skilled and experienced that our opponents #6-10.
 
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skyIdub said:
Def. Griswold.

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:ROFLMAO:
 
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Flexibility
Experience team- Hawk, QG, Marcus, TSJ, and Justin
Big team- Dain, Hawk, QG, TSJ, and Ty
Speed team- Hawk, QG, TSJ, Buck, and DGL
Defensive team- Dain, Hawk, TSJ, Buck and Ty
Future team-Dain, Amani, Luke, Buck, and Ty
Starting team- ?, Hawk, ?, TSJ, Ty

Should be room for disagreement here.
 
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cjw1901

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skyIdub said:
I just hope my eyes heal before BB season.
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I'm ready to see IL crush the Ottawa Braves, similar to IL crushing the Quincy Hawks in the first exhibition game last season. But I noticed a frightening stat in that Quincy game from last season in the SFC. IL shot 6-34 on 3s for 17.6%. Ouch! Are we going to do that again this year?

We had better not. A simple rule should be that only Shannon, Goode, and Domask have the green light from 3, and even they are encouraged to drive to the hoop as their first option. If we do that, then I believe we won't shoot nearly this badly from 3. Of course, I can understand a 3pt shot as the clock runs out (so 1-2 misses for red-lighted guys are forgivable), but last year we had:

Melendez, Shannon, Mayer, Clark, and Epps all with 3+ missed 3s in that Quincy game. Yes, that game set the standard for a terrible year of 3pt shooting for IL, mostly since we didn't think drive first, and we shot too many 3s overall. Can we please not do that against Ottawa in 2 weeks?
 
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cjw1901

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Ga65 said:
Flexibility
Experience team- Hawk, QG, Marcus, TSJ, and Justin
Big team- Dain, Hawk, QG, TSJ, and Ty
Speed team- Hawk, QG, TSJ, Buck, and DGL
Defensive team- Dain, Hawk, TSJ, Buck and Ty
Future team-Dain, Amani, Luke, Buck, and Ty
Starting team- ?, Hawk, ?, TSJ, Ty

Should be room for disagreement here.
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Sure. My vote on the last line is Dain for the first ?, and Goode or Domask for the second ?. This is because freshmen don't start without earning it, and last year's stats earned this starting option (just on that 2nd wing position).
 
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