Illini Basketball 2023-2024

Ga65 said:

Flexibility
Experience team- Hawk, QG, Marcus, TSJ, and Justin
Big team- Dain, Hawk, QG, TSJ, and Ty
Speed team- Hawk, QG, TSJ, Buck, and DGL
Defensive team- Dain, Hawk, TSJ, Buck and Ty
Future team-Dain, Amani, Luke, Buck, and Ty
Starting team- ?, Hawk, ?, TSJ, Ty

Should be room for disagreement here.

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PepeSilvia said:

Starting team, move Hawk to Center and start Goode and Domask.

Can also have a small ball 5 out shooting lineup with Harmon/DGL/Moretti, TSJ, Domask, Goode, and Guerrier.

Also I'm not entirely sure Dain is in a defensive lineup. Plenty of lineups where you can play Ty as your 4 too. Probably can't play Ty, Buck, and Dain at the same time and realistically unless one of them can suddenly shoot Ty and Buck probably shouldn't share the floor at all.

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Ga65 said:

Flexibility
Experience team- Hawk, QG, Marcus, TSJ, and Justin
Big team- Dain, Hawk, QG, TSJ, and Ty
Speed team- Hawk, QG, TSJ, Buck, and DGL
Defensive team- Dain, Hawk, TSJ, Buck and Ty
Future team-Dain, Amani, Luke, Buck, and Ty
Starting team- ?, Hawk, ?, TSJ, Ty

Should be room for disagreement here.

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illiniguy said:

Last I checked, Loyalty is free.

Thank you Dan.

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RabidDawgClassic said:

Yeah… that was very much like a luxury car commercial.

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CoalCity said:

All that was missing was Matthew McConaughey

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cjw1901 said:

Lots of good points made above on this key issue. One thing to keep in mind on the Goode vs. Domask comparisons is that Domask played about twice as many minutes per game last season as Goode did, so I recommend looking at either per-shot stats like shooting percentages or doubling all of Goode's per-game stats to compare them with Domask's. So, Goode might have gotten close to 8 rpg, 2 apt, 2.6 spg, and 2 bpg had he played as many minutes per game as Domask did last season. So, Goode's stats from last season look better than Domask's when you consider this.

Yeah, it's true. Domask had a lot of good defenders on him, and all the guys need to play well for IL to play their best. It's also true the Goode had more go-to IL scorers on the court with him, so he could be selective in his shots. In that sense, Goode is more adjusted to his role with IL, and Domask needs to adjust his game to IL this season, especially if he starts. I think Goode should play about 25 mpg as a starter, and Domask should play about 15 mpg as a sub, but these roles could change based on how these guys do. Hopefully, both play great, and Underwood has to give both of them about 20 mins per game, just because they both deserve it, and we have can only have one role player like this on the court because Shannon is healthy and killing it as our leading scorer.

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EyeoftheIllini said:

I will be very surprised if Domask only averages 15 mpg. In fact, if he only gets that amount of time, I’d be surprised if the Illini meet the heights we hope they will. I just think we’ll need his versatility. Also, I’m not quite sure how you came up with the “Goode might have got close to” numbers. Domask played about 8.5 times more minutes than Goode last year. If you multiple his stats by that and then divide by 33 (number of games Domask played) you get 4.1 rpg (versus 5.8 rpg averaged by Domask), 1.0 apg (vs 3.8), 1.3 spg (vs 1.0) and 1.0 bpg (vs 0.4).. Those are quite a bit lower than the numbers you cite.

Bottom line is though, I think we need both of them to be as successful as we want to be. I just think Domask will end up playing similar numbers as Goode and likely more.

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EyeoftheIllini said:

I will be very surprised if Domask only averages 15 mpg. In fact, if he only gets that amount of time, I’d be surprised if the Illini meet the heights we hope they will. I just think we’ll need his versatility. Also, I’m not quite sure how you came up with the “Goode might have got close to” numbers. Domask played about 8.5 times more minutes than Goode last year. If you multiple his stats by that and then divide by 33 (number of games Domask played) you get 4.1 rpg (versus 5.8 rpg averaged by Domask), 1.0 apg (vs 3.8), 1.3 spg (vs 1.0) and 1.0 bpg (vs 0.4).. Those are quite a bit lower than the numbers you cite.

Bottom line is though, I think we need both of them to be as successful as we want to be. I just think Domask will end up playing similar numbers as Goode and likely more.

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cjw1901 said:

I computed Goode's stats such they can be compared with Domask's by imagining that Goode played the same amount of time in each game that Domask did.

Goode played only 13.8 mins per game for his 10 games last season. Domask, on the other hand, played 35.4 mins per game for his 33 games. (Hmm, looks like I wrongly compared Goode's time per game to Mayer's time per game to get the factor of 2 difference I used last time. Sorry, that factor was wrong.) So, had Goode played as many minutes as Domask, then Goode's per-game stats would go up by a factor of 35.4/13.8=7.8, which is close to what you found above, so we roughly agree on that factor.

Finally, I just reported Goode's imagined stats (not his real stats) had he played the same minutes per game as Domask did. That means:

(7.8)*(1.6 rpg)=12.5 rpg (had Goode played 35.4 mins per game, same as Domask did last season)
(7.8)*(0.4 apg)=3.1 apg (same)
(7.8)*(0.5 spg)=3.9 spg (same)
(7.8)*(0.4 bpg)=3.1 bpg (same)

Yeah, Goode would have huge stats too (about like he did in HS), if he got all that playing time that Domask did last year.
Comparatively, last season Domask averaged:

5.8 rpg
3.8 apg
1.0 spg
0.4 bpg

So, Goode looks better in every category (except assists) had he played all those minutes per game that Domask did last season.
Add the shooting percentages (where Goode is better in every category last season), and Goode deserves the start and more time (say 25 min per game) over Domask (say 15 min per game) in my opinion.

Obviously, all this could change this year and either guy could go up or down, but this is how I meant to compare last season's stats for these two somewhat similar wings, where I assumed, at very end, we only have about 40 mins per game total for these two guys. Obvious, with those playing times, both guys stats this year will be lower than these rates obtained above. If both do play about 20 mins (and everything else is the same this year), then they might be actually average about half of these rates shown above.

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cjw1901 said:

I computed Goode's stats such they can be compared with Domask's by imagining that Goode played the same amount of time in each game that Domask did.

Goode played only 13.8 mins per game for his 10 games last season. Domask, on the other hand, played 35.4 mins per game for his 33 games. (Hmm, looks like I wrongly compared Goode's time per game to Mayer's time per game to get the factor of 2 difference I used last time. Sorry, that factor was wrong.) So, had Goode played as many minutes as Domask, then Goode's per-game stats would go up by a factor of 35.4/13.8=2.6, which is close to what you found above, so we roughly agree on that factor.

Finally, I just reported Goode's imagined stats (not his real stats) had he played the same minutes per game as Domask did. That means:

(2.6)*(1.6 rpg)=4.2 rpg (had Goode played 35.4 mins per game, same as Domask did last season)
(2.6)*(0.4 apg)=1.0 apg (same)
(2.6)*(0.5 spg)=1.3 spg (same)
(2.6)*(0.4 bpg)=1.0 bpg (same)

Yeah, Goode would have pretty good stats too, if he got all that playing time that Domask did last year.
Comparatively, last season Domask averaged:

5.8 rpg
3.8 apg
1.0 spg
0.4 bpg

So, Goode looks better in steals and blocks, while Domask looks better in rebounds and assists, if Goode played all those minutes per game that Domask did last season.
Add the shooting percentages (where Goode is better in every category last season), and Goode deserves the start and more time (say 25 min per game) over Domask (say 15 min per game) in my opinion.

Obviously, all this could change this year and either guy could go up or down, but this is how I meant to compare last season's stats for these two somewhat similar wings, where I assumed, at very end, we only have about 40 mins per game total for these two guys. Obvious, with those playing times, both guys stats this year will be lower than these rates obtained above. If both do play about 20 mins (and everything else is the same this year), then they might be actually average about half of these rates shown above.

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Rap47 said:

Cjw1901 35.4 ÷ 13.8 about 2 2/3 not 7.8 so redo your math.

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cjw1901 said:

I did. I still get the same general conclusion. Better shooter percentagewise in every category. Better rebounder and in blocks, which correlates with extra height, wingspan, and lower weight than Domask.

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OB positive said:

While your projection of Goode's numbers would be great for the team you need to keep in mind it is all speculation. Remember last year when everyone thought RJ was going to have a break out year and how that turned out. Until Goode gets extended minutes and we see what his production actually is it is still an unknown. Domask has shown what he can do with extended minutes, an all conference player for four years. Now if Goode exceeds Domask in production it will be a win-win for us. We'll just have to see how it all plays out. Thankfully we don't have to wait much longer with the way football has gone.

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cjw1901 said:

I computed Goode's stats such they can be compared with Domask's by imagining that Goode played the same amount of time in each game that Domask did.

Goode played only 13.8 mins per game for his 10 games last season. Domask, on the other hand, played 35.4 mins per game for his 33 games. (Hmm, looks like I wrongly compared Goode's time per game to Mayer's time per game to get the factor of 2 difference I used last time. Sorry, that factor was wrong.) So, had Goode played as many minutes as Domask, then Goode's per-game stats would go up by a factor of 35.4/13.8=7.8, which is close to what you found above, so we roughly agree on that factor.

Finally, I just reported Goode's imagined stats (not his real stats) had he played the same minutes per game as Domask did. That means:

(7.8)*(1.6 rpg)=12.5 rpg (had Goode played 35.4 mins per game, same as Domask did last season)
(7.8)*(0.4 apg)=3.1 apg (same)
(7.8)*(0.5 spg)=3.9 spg (same)
(7.8)*(0.4 bpg)=3.1 bpg (same)

Yeah, Goode would have huge stats too (about like he did in HS), if he got all that playing time that Domask did last year.
Comparatively, last season Domask averaged:

5.8 rpg
3.8 apg
1.0 spg
0.4 bpg

So, Goode looks better in every category (except assists) had he played all those minutes per game that Domask did last season.
Add the shooting percentages (where Goode is better in every category last season), and Goode deserves the start and more time (say 25 min per game) over Domask (say 15 min per game) in my opinion.

Obviously, all this could change this year and either guy could go up or down, but this is how I meant to compare last season's stats for these two somewhat similar wings, where I assumed, at very end, we only have about 40 mins per game total for these two guys. Obvious, with those playing times, both guys stats this year will be lower than these rates obtained above. If both do play about 20 mins (and everything else is the same this year), then they might be actually average about half of these rates shown above.

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skyIdub said:

Ahhhh...yeah, nowhere in my post did I blame workers. I said your industry.

I'm also not here to extend this silliness. I appreciate all employees who dedicate themselves to their craft or service. And funnily enough, every time I'm in a venue, I always look up and marvel at the intricacy of all the behind the scenes, critical work(ers).

Also to be clear, I'm not advocating piracy, but as you stated....it's far bigger issues that create the dysfunction and costs.
Definitely not here to debate all of that.

Also, is Ellen a reference to the talk show host? Not following exactly, but if we're talking about daytime hosts, I identify more as a Bob Barker...or maybe Regis.

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PepeSilvia said:

You can't extrapolate stats like this. Just simply isn't how it works.

They also didn't played even remotely similar roles on their respective teams. I like Goode and obviously hard to tell much after the broken foot but we've pretty much only see him function strictly as a spot up shooter.

Domask was the focal point of SIU's offense, handled the ball a ton, created shots for himself and his teammates, got the ball in the post, and generally was the guy that had the ball in his hands as the shot clock was winding down.

I like Goode but from what we have seen from both of them on the court, Domask is a much for versatile and well rounded player and thats not mentioning the 4 full years of experience that Domask has.

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CV Illini said:

RIP Bob Barker. Made it to the age of 99. Closest to 100 without going over.

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tell it like it is said:

I see what you did there. Nice.

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Ga65 said:

Flexibility
Experience team- Hawk, QG, Marcus, TSJ, and Justin
Big team- Dain, Hawk, QG, TSJ, and Ty
Speed team- Hawk, QG, TSJ, Buck, and DGL
Defensive team- Dain, Hawk, TSJ, Buck and Ty
Future team-Dain, Amani, Luke, Buck, and Ty
Starting team- ?, Hawk, ?, TSJ, Ty

Should be room for disagreement here.

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cjw1901 said:

I computed Goode's stats such they can be compared with Domask's by imagining that Goode played the same amount of time in each game that Domask did.

Goode played only 13.8 mins per game for his 10 games last season. Domask, on the other hand, played 35.4 mins per game for his 33 games. (Hmm, looks like I wrongly compared Goode's time per game to Mayer's time per game to get the factor of 2 difference I used last time. Sorry, that factor was wrong.) So, had Goode played as many minutes as Domask, then Goode's per-game stats would go up by a factor of 35.4/13.8=7.8, which is close to what you found above, so we roughly agree on that factor.

Finally, I just reported Goode's imagined stats (not his real stats) had he played the same minutes per game as Domask did. That means:

(7.8)*(1.6 rpg)=12.5 rpg (had Goode played 35.4 mins per game, same as Domask did last season)
(7.8)*(0.4 apg)=3.1 apg (same)
(7.8)*(0.5 spg)=3.9 spg (same)
(7.8)*(0.4 bpg)=3.1 bpg (same)

Yeah, Goode would have huge stats too (about like he did in HS), if he got all that playing time that Domask did last year.
Comparatively, last season Domask averaged:

5.8 rpg
3.8 apg
1.0 spg
0.4 bpg

So, Goode looks better in every category (except assists) had he played all those minutes per game that Domask did last season.
Add the shooting percentages (where Goode is better in every category last season), and Goode deserves the start and more time (say 25 min per game) over Domask (say 15 min per game) in my opinion.

Obviously, all this could change this year and either guy could go up or down, but this is how I meant to compare last season's stats for these two somewhat similar wings, where I assumed, at very end, we only have about 40 mins per game total for these two guys. Obvious, with those playing times, both guys stats this year will be lower than these rates obtained above. If both do play about 20 mins (and everything else is the same this year), then they might be actually average about half of these rates shown above.

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