Illinois 69, Ohio State 60 Postgame
I believe every analysis emphasizes taking shots that you can make.
Fighter of the Nightman
- Chicago, IL
Crowd sounded loud on TV…?
Illini2010-11
- Sugar Grove
I don't necessarily like Coleman taking six 3 pt attempts or Epps eight, but if you get a wide open look in rythym, I want them to be decisive in taking the shot.
What some are suggesting are to pass on these good looks, and I think it will end up having negative consequences on the flow of the offense.
RJ went 0-3, but should we tell a shooter to stop taking them when wide open?
So who can explain why we aggressively doubled Key most of the night, but didn’t do that against Indiana’s TJD?
Tonight the wrong shooters were forcing up threes, too bad they don't work to get rhythm 3s for the best 3 point shooters instead.
We made a mistake against TJD and corrected it against Key?
Was there tonight, crowd was definitely more quiet that normal.
Absolutely agreed. The game was a blowout in everything but the final score. Our defense was truly exceptional tonight, forcing a typical OSU possession to end in a low percentile shot. In fact, almost the entire night, OSU's shot quality was unfathomably terrible. While people can look at OSU's 37% FG% and think they had an off-shooting night, in reality, they had a tremendous shooting night for the shots they took, as their expected FG% had to be under 25% for the game. Our defense was that good. Quite frankly, there's no way OSU should've been able to put up even 50pts today.
When we play defense that way, shoot free throws the way we did, and play aggressively, we are an incredibly tough team to beat. Just got to bring it consistently game to game. If we can get there, sky is the limit. 2 huge road games in our next 3 games, just bring what we brought today and good things will happen
InDaAZ
- Eugene, Oregon
InDaAZ
- Eugene, Oregon
Two words: passing ability
(per BU)
the national
- the Front Range
‘Elite’
0 for 3 for a good shooter is fine...... 0 for 8 is not. If you are not on with your shot, and even the best have off nights....find other ways to help your team win.
I would love to see Shannon work in the paint more often...and it seems he has no method to score there other than hard drives. He got a rebound tonight with a shorter defender on him and took the ball out rather than take advantage within 8 ft. of the rim. Hawkins is the same, while Mayer and DD know they won't get a better opportunity and will either score or get fouled....and occasionally miss....but I love to see aggressive scoring at the rim by bigs. Going to need that from Hawk and TSJ sooner rather than later.
That said, I like seeing TSJ drive rather than chuck it up from 3. For all the time he spends practicing from the arc, he is a rather poor jump shooter. But he is almost automatic in the lane or from anywhere inside 15 ft. He should never shoot an airball from the arc and only does so because he rushes. He is reasonably accurate when he has time to set and shoot in rhythm...and he and Hawk should shoot every time they can do that...which would be 3-4 times a game at most. But both should shoot more within 10 ft. or less. Our opponents sure do.
He also made some circus shots just to get those. This team really is molding into what Brad seemed to be looking for, defensively, more and more. Aggravating as some of this season has been, you can't say it hasn't been interesting.
“I’d rather go 0 for 30 than 0 for 9 because you go 0 for 9 that means you stopped shooting.That means you lost confidence.” - Dion Waiters
Good game. Offense was a bit ragged. Ball stuck in a couple guy's hands occasionally. Missed Dain and RJ quite a few times when they were open. That said, this team is a handful when they really get going. Can't wait to see them hit full stride.
Chad Fleck
- Eureka, IL
Some Illini chatter right at the beginning.
Tyler Hansbrough sounds like he made it through college with basketball privilege, let's say. Guy is brutal to listen to. Includes a take that Coleman isn't 6'10". That's new to me, I don't get it. Looks that tall to me.
I wondered about that. First game I've seen on TV. Much quieter than I expected. 650 miles away so that may have played a part. Team looked pretty good.
Great basketball. They looked rested and fresh. I love love having Hawkins in the post defensively. Helped with rebounding and rim defense immensely. Plus he was able to use his speed off the rebound to push the action. Would like to see much more of this. Epps playing a true point also seemed to be a difference maker. Mayer was exceptional at both ends as was TSJ. I know Ohio State was down but any win over that storied program is pure joy
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Gotta give a shout out to Rogers separately for his energy, especially on the boards. Don’t forget LIeb either
KBLEE
- Montgomery, IL
After the 4th "you know?" in 30 seconds, I had to turn it off. Learn how to speak, dude.
People may roll their eyes and say, "of course", but this, in its simplicity is actually profound. Good coaches will insist on their players taking the shots they are most likely to make. Taking threes to get an extra point means nothing if you can't make them.
FloridaMan said:
Bill Self used to call the 3's "fool's gold." He is right. You hit a couple here and there - either in a game, or in our case early in the season - and fall in love with it and forget about playing good offense. We are not a good 3 point shooting team, and excel with feeding DD down low and driving to the hoop. But we don't do those things nearly enough. Let the threes come as a result of doing those things and it's fine. Standing around then firing a closely contested one up at the end of the shot clock is not. But solid win hopefully to build momentum back.
It's 'fools goal" if your not a very good miner
5/28 shots for 17.9 percent is extremely poor shooting. At that rate there is not much difference between a 3 point shot and a turnover.
On the opposite side of the coin Ohio State hits three or four more three's and its a different ball game
Watching Henson's "Flying Illini vs Michigan on Big Ten Classic, I would be surprised if they EVER put up 28 three's
Bill Self used to call the 3's "fool's gold." He is right. You hit a couple here and there - either in a game, or in our case early in the season - and fall in love with it and forget about playing good offense. We are not a good 3 point shooting team, and excel with feeding DD down low and driving to the hoop. But we don't do those things nearly enough. Let the threes come as a result of doing those things and it's fine. Standing around then firing a closely contested one up at the end of the shot clock is not. But solid win hopefully to build momentum back.
It's 'fools goal" if your not a very good miner
5/28 shots for 17.9 percent is extremely poor shooting. At that rate there is not much difference between a 3 point shot and a turnover.
On the opposite side of the coin Ohio State hits three or four more three's and its a different ball game
Watching Henson's "Flying Illini vs Michigan on Big Ten Classic, I would be surprised if they EVER put up 28 three's
Seems to me our defense literally wore Ohio State down
Almost to the point, when Rogers comes off the bench you can hear an opposing player saying under his breath "oh !!!! he is going to guard me."
Someone needs to work with Harris on his shot
When OSU called a time out after our first run, Goode and Leib were the first off the bench to greet our players coming off the court - nice to see.
Almost to the point, when Rogers comes off the bench you can hear an opposing player saying under his breath "oh !!!! he is going to guard me."
Someone needs to work with Harris on his shot
When OSU called a time out after our first run, Goode and Leib were the first off the bench to greet our players coming off the court - nice to see.
Key being good looks, I agree completely. But too often we take threes outside the rhythm of the offense. Those are the ones I believe are not needed. Throw the ball inside and drive more and that will open up more open threes in my opinion. No need to force them when we are shooting 32% on the season.