Illinois 93, Michigan 85 Postgame

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IndyILL

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UNDAUNTED!!!


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727ill

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RML said:
personally, I think it's mental, and too much time "practicing" could actually be counterproductive.
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Bingo! Free throws are a mental game. These guys are plenty good shooters.

If you go to the line scared of missing, guess what is going to happen...
 
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Icy veins

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To me Kofi's FT misses aren't mental at all - they're muscle related. Kofi is a huge man and easily uses his upper body to muscle through the post more than any player on this team. When you've got a pump on and your muscles are swolen, it's WAY harder to get the speed and wrist flick you need on a shot. After tough post-ups Kofi's arms look like they're stuck in the mud. Kofi could practice FTs all day and learn how to shoot 80-85% completely fresh but he'll never shoot like that in a game and we can't really expect him to
 
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Bigtex

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Solid team win. Still room to improve:

Curbelo was great but too many Turnovers.
Missed free throws
minutes distributed about "right" Plummer minutes seem a hair low but regarding matchups it will vary from game to game.

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IlliniKat91

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Icy veins said:
To me Kofi's FT misses aren't mental at all - they're muscle related. Kofi is a huge man and easily uses his upper body to muscle through the post more than any player on this team. When you've got a pump on and your muscles are swolen, it's WAY harder to get the speed and wrist flick you need on a shot. After tough post-ups Kofi's arms look like they're stuck in the mud. Kofi could practice FTs all day and learn how to shoot 80-85% completely fresh but he'll never shoot like that in a game and we can't really expect him to
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Doesn't explain why some games he does hit that 80-85% though and others he doesn't. It could be muscle fatigue, but that's still something he needs to overcome and become more consistent
 
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altgeld88 said:
Now that's some fine Michigan Man sportsmanship right there.
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LOL are they supposed to sit on the bench with their arms and legs crossed and give a polite golf clap every now and then? I'd be pretty pissed if our bench wasnt up yellin at a shooter right in front of them.
 
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the juiceman cometh

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IlliniKat91 said:
Doesn't explain why some games he does hit that 80-85% though and others he doesn't. It could be muscle fatigue, but that's still something he needs to overcome and become more consistent
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And presumably he could practice his FTs under similar conditions. He's never going to be a 90% FT shooter but his form is very good at times. If the issue is that fatigue throws off his form, he just needs to practice maintaining form though the fatigue. It's a different feeling, so he needs to practice until he's used to it. Take 100 of them after a gruelling practice or after hitting the weight room with Fletch. It's kind of like how studying under similar conditions as you will see in an exam will help you perform better on said exam.
 
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Rocky

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Vinegarben said:
Look at our losses this year. Free throws have killed us.
Marquette loss-we shot 63%
Arizona-64%
Purdue-Purdue shot 32 free throws-we shot 15
Maryland-shot 25-we shot 10
Rutgers-we shot 56%
OSU-SHOT 32-We shot 17 [64%]
In first win against MSU- they shot 17-we shot 7 [42%]
In win against Mich Sunday we shot 60%-most were front end of 1and 1
In 6 of the 8 losses free throw shooting has killed us. Season avg.-70%. If the Illini make 70% of their free throws they win Marquette, Arizona, 1st Purdue game and OSU.
Most would say it is Kofi but it is Williams, Plummer, Hawkins, Grandison and even Trent.
They need to shoot free throws every minute of the day until Thursday
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RML said:
personally, I think it's mental, and too much time "practicing" could actually be counterproductive.
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It's a combination of mental, pressure, fatigue, even overhyped. As we all should know, with free throws you have a routine that you do every single time. That is the single most important point. I'll never believe you can practice too much, unless you are just reinforcing bad form. They need to practice under fatigue conditions too.
 
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Big Jack

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IlliniKat91 said:
Doesn't explain why some games he does hit that 80-85% though and others he doesn't. It could be muscle fatigue, but that's still something he needs to overcome and become more consistent
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Hey look on the bright side he isn't Shaun Pruittesq
 
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altgeld88

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CoalCity said:
LOL are they supposed to sit on the bench with their arms and legs crossed and give a polite golf clap every now and then? I'd be pretty pissed if our bench wasnt up yellin at a shooter right in front of them.
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Well, then, my friend, you and view the boundaries of competition a bit differently. It's likely a generational thing. Had I done that in high school my coach would have had me running suicides after the game until I barfed up my entrails.;)

 
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WyattEarp

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Rocky said:
It's a combination of mental, pressure, fatigue, even overhyped. As we all should know, with free throws you have a routine that you do every single time. That is the single most important point. I'll never believe you can practice too much, unless you are just reinforcing bad form. They need to practice under fatigue conditions too.
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Right, like they say in No Country For Old Men: ā€œItā€™s never just the one thing.ā€ (well, almost never.)

Sure if you wanted to pie-graph it out itā€™s surely mostly mind-over matter, mental. But rhythm, routine, and consistent physical execution are not likely to be achieved without CORRECTLY practicing.
Also, thereā€™s really no substitute for preparing your body to adjust to when you get tired without simulating game conditions.
You can be as clear/in your mental
happy place much as you want toā€¦but you still have to get your body to do the thing.
 
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Emerson Bigguns

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the juiceman cometh said:
And presumably he could practice his FTs under similar conditions. He's never going to be a 90% FT shooter but his form is very good at times. If the issue is that fatigue throws off his form, he just needs to practice maintaining form though the fatigue. It's a different feeling, so he needs to practice until he's used to it. Take 100 of them after a gruelling practice or after hitting the weight room with Fletch. It's kind of like how studying under similar conditions as you will see in an exam will help you perform better on said exam.
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Is someone going to karate chop his forearms 20 times before he practices his FTs? Who the heck is signing up for that? lol

He doesn't throw up too many that don't have a chance. Sometimes they stick and sometimes they spin out. It's just harder to shoot when you are tall and have big hands. (tendency to shoot on a line, little mistakes in your release are punished more by the mass of your hand, and his sheer strength... ever try shooting a volleyball?) There are some who are so good they can overcome it, but most big guys struggle.
 
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BillyBob1

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Anyone know how many points Dicks 13 were scored against Kofi? Omar gave up 2 of them. Just wondered if Kofi kept him in single digits.
 
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IlliniKat91

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Emerson Bigguns said:
Is someone going to karate chop his forearms 20 times before he practices his FTs? Who the heck is signing up for that? lol

He doesn't throw up too many that don't have a chance. Sometimes they stick and sometimes they spin out. It's just harder to shoot when you are tall and have big hands. (tendency to shoot on a line, little mistakes in your release are punished more by the mass of your hand, and his sheer strength... ever try shooting a volleyball?) There are some who are so good they can overcome it, but most big guys struggle.
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Coaches do literally use pads to run into bigs as they practice backing down at the basket. There are ways to mimic what happens in a game without hurting a player.

And frankly, if someone wants to play a sport professionally, using body type as an excuse isn't it. He'll never be 90% as stated above, but he can be a lot more consistent which is what we need if other teams are going to play hack-a-Kofi. Otherwise he becomes a liability and the key to another team winning in close games.
 
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WyattEarp

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IlliniKat91 said:
Coaches do literally use pads to run into bigs as they practice backing down at the basket. There are ways to mimic what happens in a game without hurting a player.

And frankly, if someone wants to play a sport professionally, using body type as an excuse isn't it. He'll never be 90% as stated above, but he can be a lot more consistent which is what we need if other teams are going to play hack-a-Kofi. Otherwise he becomes a liability and the key to another team winning in close games.
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Yes, I agree with all thatā€¦Izzo put fb helmets on guys for put back drills I believe too.

This is probably gonna be the most cranky, crotchety old man thing I say all dayā€¦but here goes. It always drove me crazy in regards to Shaq.

The Dude was amazing at what he didā€¦and obviously that was being an unstoppable brute of a ogre that hated rims. But the man was supposed to be a PROFESSIONAL. Shooting freebies is basic skills/rudimentary to his profession.

Thatā€™s like a truck driver that canā€™t back up!

You could find any junior high school team in anywhere USA and they would have 3 kids that could shoot a better percentage than this so/called PROFESSIONAL athlete.

I donā€™t care if he was on DT 2 or he is a household name. Kofi already has more
tools in the toolbox than that BIG goof.
 
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GBIllini

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The players with really large hands will have more difficulty shooting free throws consistently. When I bought a small basketball set for my sons with one of those half size basketballs that my hand could go nearly half way around I thought this must be what a ball feels like in Shaqs hand. It was hard to get any sort of feel for it to shoot it like a regular basketball.