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MadSeason · Jan 14, 2018

PackofIllini12 said:
If it is Canada, I'm out.

As I have previously mentioned, one of my degrees is from NC State. Canada has a personality of heavy grit sandpaper, has a difficult time with passing concepts, and QBs regress under him. He can move the ball between the 20s, but the red zone is his kryptonite, because his motions aren't nearly as effective. Add that to the fact that his running game is only effective with a veteran O-Line, and it spells disaster.

If Lovie is stupid enough to hire a guy that has been a lease option at best for the past 2 years, he deserves to get fired so we can press the reset button yet again.

I didn't think Canada was that great either, but a look at his offenses according to Football Outsiders show a very successful Offensive Coordinator for the most part. He struggled at Indiana but otherwise he's had remarkable success according to S&P+ and FEI rankings respectively:

2011-Northern Illinois 18 15
2012-Wisconsin 26 28
2013-NC St 92 93
2014-NC St 40 19
2015-NC St 35 26
2016-Pitt 3 9
2017-LSU 42 22

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ncaaoff

icengineer · Jan 15, 2018

MadSeason said:
I didn't think Canada was that great either, but a look at his offenses according to Football Outsiders show a very successful Offensive Coordinator for the most part. He struggled at Indiana but otherwise he's had remarkable success according to S&P+ and FEI rankings respectively:

2011-Northern Illinois 18 15
2012-Wisconsin 26 28
2013-NC St 92 93
2014-NC St 40 19
2015-NC St 35 26
2016-Pitt 3 9
2017-LSU 42 22

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ncaaoff

We'd kill for anything close to those numbers wouldn't we?? I don't know Canada from squat. But it's hard to argue with results, isn't it?

MadSeason · Jan 15, 2018

icengineer said:
We'd kill for anything close to those numbers wouldn't we?? I don't know Canada from squat. But it's hard to argue with results, isn't it?

I have to admit he doesn't excite me but those numbers are really solid.

StateFarmCenter · Jan 15, 2018

PackofIllini12 said:
If it is Canada, I'm out.

As I have previously mentioned, one of my degrees is from NC State. Canada has a personality of heavy grit sandpaper, has a difficult time with passing concepts, and QBs regress under him. He can move the ball between the 20s, but the red zone is his kryptonite, because his motions aren't nearly as effective. Add that to the fact that his running game is only effective with a veteran O-Line, and it spells disaster.

If Lovie is stupid enough to hire a guy that has been a lease option at best for the past 2 years, he deserves to get fired so we can press the reset button yet again.

Lol this is ridiculous. If you're expecting a better oc hire than Matt Canada, I would just quit now and save you the time. The guy has been a miracle worker of late. Your hatred isn't based in reality. Jacoby Brissett went from not playing at Florida to a star under Canada and eventual 3rd round pick. Nate Peterman had his best year under Canada and emerged as an eventual 5th round pick. Danny Ettling was a running joke before Canada, but starred under him in his 1 year.

Pekinfan · Jan 15, 2018

LSU thought enough of Canada to pay him a million dollars a year. Moorehead does not have any OC experience.
I believe either one would be an upgrade.
Are we going to hear something today?

StateFarmCenter · Jan 15, 2018

Pekinfan said:
LSU thought enough of Canada to pay him a million dollars a year. Moorehead does not have any OC experience.
I believe either one would be an upgrade.
Are we going to hear something today?

Moorhead would not be the OC

Deleted member 29907 · Jan 15, 2018

MadSeason said:
I didn't think Canada was that great either, but a look at his offenses according to Football Outsiders show a very successful Offensive Coordinator for the most part. He struggled at Indiana but otherwise he's had remarkable success according to S&P+ and FEI rankings respectively:

2011-Northern Illinois 18 15
2012-Wisconsin 26 28
2013-NC St 92 93
2014-NC St 40 19
2015-NC St 35 26
2016-Pitt 3 9
2017-LSU 42 22

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ncaaoff

One year at a few of those stops - why was that? Head coaching changes? Other than NC State, my only concern is it could be like BWeber inheriting alot of talent and looked kinda good for a while. I don't know him (or any OCs for that matter other than a few teams I am familiar with) at all - so this is just a question for those who are deeper into these guys.

StateFarmCenter · Jan 15, 2018

VAIllini35 said:
One year at a few of those stops - why was that? Head coaching changes? Other than NC State, my only concern is it could be like BWeber inheriting alot of talent and looked kinda good for a while. I don't know him (or any OCs for that matter other than a few teams I am familiar with) at all - so this is just a question for those who are deeper into these guys.

He left Pitt to be the 4th highest paid assistant in the country. Then he didn't get along with Orgeron (not unheard of) despite massive praise for his work there.

mhuml32 · Jan 15, 2018

VAIllini35 said:
One year at a few of those stops - why was that? Head coaching changes? Other than NC State, my only concern is it could be like BWeber inheriting alot of talent and looked kinda good for a while. I don't know him (or any OCs for that matter other than a few teams I am familiar with) at all - so this is just a question for those who are deeper into these guys.

Those first three stops are all Dave Doeren-related. Not sure about the rest.

Oldtoysrock · Jan 15, 2018

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MadSeason said:
The new guys aren't going to walk in and create immediate relationships with 2018 recruits. The slots we have left to fill are more than covered by the current staff

Ah never mind, no big hurry, we have all the recruits we need and Lovie’s hit home runs with every OC he’s ever hired. Just saying that makes me feel so much better now.

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PackofIllini12 · Jan 15, 2018

StateFarmCenter said:
Lol this is ridiculous. If you're expecting a better oc hire than Matt Canada, I would just quit now and save you the time. The guy has been a miracle worker of late. Your hatred isn't based in reality. Jacoby Brissett went from not playing at Florida to a star under Canada and eventual 3rd round pick. Nate Peterman had his best year under Canada and emerged as an eventual 5th round pick. Danny Ettling was a running joke before Canada, but starred under him in his 1 year.

An argument could be made that the reason why Brissett was still an NFL player is because he was a football junkie and lived in the film room. Keep in mind that Muschamp was his HC at Florida and UF had gone through the biggest Power 5 QB drought I have ever seen.

At Pitt, they had a veteran OL, which I previously mentioned is a requirement for his heavy run based scheme. Peterman didn't really have to through the ball much and that team had a great come-back story with RB James Conner.

Also, point of order, I do not hate the guy by any stretch of the imagination, I was just trying to relay my observations of him (from both meeting him in person and what I have seen from his on-field production).

PackofIllini12 · Jan 15, 2018

mhuml32 said:
Those first three stops are all Dave Doeren-related. Not sure about the rest.

Actually, Canada and Doeren had a knack for being a year off on each other the entire time. I think they had a relationship, but they didn't coach together aside from NCSU and maybe a year at Wisconsin.

Illini TJ · Jan 15, 2018

Doeren was the HC at N.Illinois in 2011. Canada was his OC. Canada left for a better job/payday and went to Wisconsin. They won the B1G championship and Bielema went to Arkansas, Canada went too team up with Doeren at NCSt. He left Pitt after one year because LSU is a better job and paid him a ton of money.

mhuml32 · Jan 15, 2018

PackofIllini12 said:
An argument could be made that the reason why Brissett was still an NFL player is because he was a football junkie and lived in the film room. Keep in mind that Muschamp was his HC at Florida and UF had gone through the biggest Power 5 QB drought I have ever seen.

At Pitt, they had a veteran OL, which I previously mentioned is a requirement for his heavy run based scheme. Peterman didn't really have to through the ball much and that team had a great come-back story with RB James Conner.

Also, point of order, I do not hate the guy by any stretch of the imagination, I was just trying to relay my observations of him (from both meeting him in person and what I have seen from his on-field production).

Only one year separates Tebow (senior) and Brissett (freshman). Florida's biggest mistake was picking the wrong QB (Driskel over Brissett).

Hoppy2105 · Jan 15, 2018

This is from my buddy who is a diehard NC State fan and, also, now an Illini fan due to his friendship with my brother and me.

Ah, Matt Canada. You know, I thought he was a fairly decent play caller, he definitely was a proponent of really establishing the run to ease the QB. A good move if Epstein can come back healthy and strong. We always had big play RBs and small but reliable receivers so it made sense to set it up that way. He definitely knows the game and was one of our better coordinators during our down year and he set us up for the success we had now. The only reason we got rid of him is because we had a chance to get Ryan Finley (current QB) and he was a package deal with the former Boise State OC, and that worked out really well.

I’d say he’d be a solid OC especially if Lovie really wants to focus on D. Canada can totally operate independently and competently.

I don’t even know if we will get the guy, but this is solid info from a logical fan who follows football on multiple levels and understands the game pretty well.

mhuml32 · Jan 15, 2018

Illinibatt said:
What is the connection between Lovie Smith and Matt Canada?

Lovie needs an OC, Canada needs a job.

TheGMan · Jan 15, 2018

mhuml32 said:
Lovie needs an OC, Canada needs a job.

:thumb:

BZuppke · Jan 15, 2018

Well after reading some articles it’s seems this is what we need to know about Canada - very good OC and unique run oriented scheme that has been pretty successful most places. He must be hard to get along with because he and Bielema clashed as well as he and Orgeron. That being said I see LSU fans blaming Orgeron for trying to micro manage Canada, not blaming Canada. I’d conclude a very good OC, who it’s be somewhat temperental.

Peoria Illini · Jan 15, 2018

BZuppke said:
Well after reading some articles it’s seems this is what we need to know about Canada - very good OC and unique run oriented scheme that has been pretty successful most places. He must be hard to get along with because he and Bielema clashed as well as he and Orgeron. That being said I see LSU fans blaming Orgeron for trying to micro manage Canada, not blaming Canada. I’d conclude a very good OC, who it’s be somewhat temperental.

I wouldn't see Lovie trying to micromanage him, LOL

BWBW · Jan 15, 2018

mhuml32, BZuppke, and Peoria Illini are in good form this morning.

Being temperamental, hard to get along with, and someone who detests micromanaging bosses myself, I'd say Lovie and Canada are a match made in heaven.

Deleted member 654622 · Jan 15, 2018

PackofIllini12 said:
An argument could be made that the reason why Brissett was still an NFL player is because he was a football junkie and lived in the film room. Keep in mind that Muschamp was his HC at Florida and UF had gone through the biggest Power 5 QB drought I have ever seen.

At Pitt, they had a veteran OL, which I previously mentioned is a requirement for his heavy run based scheme. Peterman didn't really have to through the ball much and that team had a great come-back story with RB James Conner.

Eh...I would lean more toward run blocking being preferred to less experienced OLineman. The pass block technique is what most guys need to work on when they reach the college ranks

217sports · Jan 15, 2018

So are we hiring Patterson or Nate for the 10th spot? Please don't say neither..

Centennial Illini · Jan 15, 2018

Prior to my retirement, I spent a lot of time on business in the deep south. When Orgeron was hired I asked my SEC friends what LSU was getting. To a man:

Ed Orgeron is the definition of Ragin Cajun, swamp born and raised. At alumni affairs there will be no reptile in the swamp that he will not eat in hot sauce possibly raw. One friend described him as the classic south La. gut sucker. He will not appeal to the LSU fan base, he is the LSU fan base.

But very very little of Ed goes a long long way. I wouldn't be too concerned about a guy like Canada leaving LSU. Could be a revolving door down there.

Disclaimer: none of my friends had any use for LSU

mhuml32 · Jan 15, 2018

BZuppke said:
Well after reading some articles it’s seems this is what we need to know about Canada - very good OC and unique run oriented scheme that has been pretty successful most places. He must be hard to get along with because he and Bielema clashed as well as he and Orgeron. That being said I see LSU fans blaming Orgeron for trying to micro manage Canada, not blaming Canada. I’d conclude a very good OC, who it’s be somewhat temperental.

Does anyone have a link for this clash? I think one is understandable, two would be different.

Deleted member 649710 · Jan 15, 2018

Another day without an announcement?

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