I would be worried if Canada did NOT clash with Bielema and Ogeron. Both are well known to be, well, difficult to get along with.
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I would be worried if Canada did NOT clash with Bielema and Ogeron. Both are well known to be, well, difficult to get along with.
https://www.reddit.com/r/CFB/comments/15mm1h/badger_oc_canada_stood_up_to_bielema_before_b1g/
With respect to the other guy from NCSU, that was not the way things were.
Doeren was very close to Brissett (had recruited him for Wisconsin) and was very disappointed in the regression he made under Canada. Add to the fact that the offense, while still decent seemed to take steps backward with the passing game and Canada wanting to move on led to a growing rift.
The Boise State OC and the QB (Finley) were not a package deal, but Drink made sure to emphasize that there would be an open competition.
That being said, however off-topic it is, does have some relevance here. The Boise OC had no prior connection to Doeren, it was literally a cold call. Is it risky, sure, but it can work out.
I want Lovie to get out from his own tree, because it leads to stagnation with the more quickly evolving college game. Get a OC from Arkansas State who can go at breakneck speeds on offense, and have him dictate the tempo at will.
Yes, because Lovie football isn't predicated on strong D, winning the turnover battle, big linemen, controlling tempo and time of possession... it's all about an up-tempo offense. Um... okay.
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"I'm picking up on your sarcasm"
"Good cause I'm laying it on pretty thick"
FYI Lovie's Defense with a power running game can win National Championships...
See Alabama
(yes different athletes blah blah blah. Not the point. The system is the point)
I had the same thoughts. Up-tempo is fun and exciting when it's working. When it's not, your defense is on the field ALOT. Not something this team needs or is typical of Lovie
I am not in the camp of people who are upset we haven't announced any one yet. But I will say I am very surprised there is nothing yet today. I thought it would be out today from the tweets I saw.
I understand sarcasm, but up-tempo doesn't preclude getting up to the line quickly and then bleeding the clock, which is exactly what Alabama did at the end of the National Championship.
When Illinois was successful in the mid-2000s, it was because we were spacing teams out with Locksley's spread (which ironically is being used by Bama now..... http://rolltide.com/coaches.aspx?rc=694).
Guys, all I am saying is that if you expect to get a run dominant OC (who fits what lovie likes) and play a team with better/stronger athletes (i.e. Wisconsin, Michigan, or Ohio State), its not going to happen. Get an OC who is aggressive, who understands spread offenses/his personnel and ball control with it (Look at the Time of Possession Stats below). The perfect example is Clemson, as much as I hate that team.
Time of Possession Stats - Specifically, look at some of the spread team (i.e. NCSU #11, Va Tech #12, Oklahoma #23, Clemson #49)
http://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/fbs/current/team/705
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Kramer
- Des Moines, Iowa
Not challenging you at all, I am not on twitter, so can you fill me in?
mhuml32
- Cincinnati, OH
Spread can work. Pro style can work. West Coast and anything in between can work.
Illinois will have some form of talent disadvantage in all of those systems. I just want Lovie to have a system in place that can utilize the talent that has already been recruited. The only way to rise in the rankings is to pick a system and stick with it. Trust your coaching and recruits, redshirt as much as you can, and lean on upperclassmen to execute.
Illinois will have some form of talent disadvantage in all of those systems. I just want Lovie to have a system in place that can utilize the talent that has already been recruited. The only way to rise in the rankings is to pick a system and stick with it. Trust your coaching and recruits, redshirt as much as you can, and lean on upperclassmen to execute.
Nail meet head.
Sadly, patience isn't a sports fans strong suit, and trust isn't something blindly given by most, therefore pressure on the AD typically leads to turnover faster than an average coach can implement a quality product.
This defines Jeff Fisher at St. Louis. Win by kicking field goals. Look where it got him and them.
What I know is, when the offense scores quick, their time of possession is low and the defense is on the field a lot. When the defense gets off the field quick, offensive time of possession is higher.
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Is that a joke? I just want to make sure because you never know when there is no tone to assess.
Alabama is not known for 'big plays' and they certainly did not win all those championships by throwing the football around. Considering Alabama was my reference to that style of football and how successful it is, I would hope we could all stay on point.
Please don't start using the Minnesota play as evidence that we need to throw the football down the field and hope the DB whiffs on the tackle. Because 1 playoff game does not equal 6 national titles
Just saw tweets saying the hire(s) had been made. Something in the next couple days. That was all. I thought it would be today.
Twitter sleuthing leads me to believe we end up with Pep Hamilton and Aaron Moorehead. I have no inside information, just putting some pieces together based on who follows who.
The same place as having Lovie Smith as a head coach. Super Bowl Participant.
Actually, Alabama has thrown the ball quite a lot in Natl Championship games as well as others. Yes, they will start running it once they get a big lead against bums but, Saban has thrown the ball quite a bit since coming to Alabama. The huge thing about Alabama is the speed of his defenses.
Things may have been mostly a done deal until other dominos started falling too. I'm not too worried at this point.
Another consideration is, perhaps they are just cross referencing after the OC is hired, with regards to the other assistants, especially if the other assistants end up being on the O side of the ball. I suspect the final details are just being ironed out at this point.
My hope is we end up with
Canada
Moorehead
Patterson
Another consideration is, perhaps they are just cross referencing after the OC is hired, with regards to the other assistants, especially if the other assistants end up being on the O side of the ball. I suspect the final details are just being ironed out at this point.
My hope is we end up with
Canada
Moorehead
Patterson
Not fully encompassing what I am getting at. I am not trying to say that Illinois needs to be at a speed where we snap the ball every 10 seconds. What I am trying to say is the following:
Play is over
Hurry up to the line/get in a formation (Prevents the D from substituting fresh players)
Check the defense
Look to the sideline for a potentially better play after seeing the base D
Bleed the clock down to 5ish seconds left on the play clock.
I am using NCSU as an example purely because I watched every game this year (like I did for Illinois). NCSU routinely would have 10-15 play drives using this style, and being in the same division of the ACC with Louisville, Clemson and FSU, you have to limit their possessions as much as possible.
Look at the video I posted below of the NCSU vs Arizona State game. NC State goes on a 15 play drive that kills about 7 minutes of the game, varying the tempo (starting at the 12:50 mark ofthe video). It kills the momentum for the other offense and limits their possessions.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VnHNeJbFms
This would help Lovie out by controlling the clock and keeping his D fresh.
Pep was the Stanford OC in Luck's last year. He is primarily a pro-style guy, but is usually pretty flexible in his scheme and will make it spread as needed.
If we must go pro-style, I would be ok with Pep.
mhuml32
- Cincinnati, OH
Not saying this is a good or bad thing, but this would essentially be the Mike Locksley style of tempo/play calling.
Cris Carter absolutely bashed Michigan pass route schemes on his show the other day.
http://www.espn.com/college-footbal...-adapted-conquered-new-style-college-football
Open Question - If Saban realized he needed to change his offense in order to compete and win (see posted article), what is our excuse for not changing?
Open Question - If Saban realized he needed to change his offense in order to compete and win (see posted article), what is our excuse for not changing?
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