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Actually, Alabama has thrown the ball quite a lot in Natl Championship games as well as others. Yes, they will start running it once they get a big lead against bums but, Saban has thrown the ball quite a bit since coming to Alabama. The huge thing about Alabama is the speed of his defenses.

Your right. Please go ahead and post all these highlights of 60 yard passes for me please. Unless of course you are quite literally going to say 25 pass attempts is throwing the ball around, even though they are all 7yard outs and slants. Not the same thing in my book
 
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http://www.espn.com/college-footbal...-adapted-conquered-new-style-college-football

Open Question - If Saban realized he needed to change his offense in order to compete and win (see posted article), what is our excuse for not changing?

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I am sorry but this is an article written a year ago after he ran Kiffen out because he wanted to open the offense up. Jalen Hurts is a running back playing QB. He was just another way for Saban to run the football. Now if he starts the Hawaiian kid next year and lets him throw down field, then paint me pink and call me Suzzy. Doubt he will let him
 
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They have gone deep down the field quite a bit. Look at some of the Julio Jones highlights. I think you need to look at how little we have thrown the ball over the last 2 years. Even if Bama is slants and outs (it isn't) that is still throwing it quite a bit. They threw it about 30 times in the 1st half in the championship game against LSU. Don't redefine your terms when they are questioned. And, don't talk down to me. I guarantee I have more knowledge than you. You are entitled to your opinion but, not your opinion of others expertise with no knowledge of such.
 
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Spread can work. Pro style can work. West Coast and anything in between can work.

Illinois will have some form of talent disadvantage in all of those systems. I just want Lovie to have a system in place that can utilize the talent that has already been recruited. The only way to rise in the rankings is to pick a system and stick with it. Trust your coaching and recruits, redshirt as much as you can, and lean on upperclassmen to execute.

I agree that any system can be successful with the right people. When you say you want Lovie to utilize the talent he has, which system do you think is best suited to the athletes Lovie inherited? How exactly could Lovie and Co better utilized this pool of athletic ability? I think the three and out system suited them pretty well.

It's not JUST a matter of matching a system to the players. We could run but couldn't pass. And for a couple games that worked just fine. Once exposed however, it's not just a matter of running what you're good at. We lacked balance, the defense stacked the box, played run first, dared us to throw and we could not. Pressure the QB, get us in third and long, and max your odds for a turnover. It wasn't hard to game us. When it became obvious Chase was exposed we turned to hope and prayer (neither of which panned out but it didn't hurt to try).

You could run whatever system you wanted last year, and the result is the same. You could run a ridiculous up-temp offense, their D still stacks the box, plays run first, no need to swap personnel if we don't, and you just get to third and long that much faster.

Our team just needs balance. We need to maintain time of possession and give our D a rest. We need to be able to throw so that we can run. We need to get our opponents on their heels and keep them there instead of our opponents dictating the terms of the engagement.

Last fall I remember going to a lot of the open practices before the season started and you'd see Chase throw 3-4 int's every day. The reads were okay but the balls were all over the place. I was hoping one of the youngsters would have a better grasp of the offense in year two, but it looks like we're back to year one with the O.

When the season opened last year I bought into Robert's idea of it being a 24 game season with the second half of the season (year two) looking up. Now I wonder if it isn't going to be the latter third of a 36 game season. I'm not sure spring ball will show us anything (if we could field enough players to have a scrimmage that would be a good sign though). I am looking forward to fall practices and HOPEFULLY seeing some youngster in command of the offense making throws and able to run when needed. I'm less concerned about the system than the students at each position.
 
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This defines Jeff Fisher at St. Louis. Win by kicking field goals. Look where it got him and them.



I don’t think they can relocate the U of I to LA.


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For those wondering why no announcement today, probably because most of the sports info staff is in Nebraska tonight. Kent Brown always runs these announcements etc.
 
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They have gone deep down the field quite a bit. Look at some of the Julio Jones highlights. I think you need to look at how little we have thrown the ball over the last 2 years. Even if Bama is slants and outs (it isn't) that is still throwing it quite a bit. They threw it about 30 times in the 1st half in the championship game against LSU. Don't redefine your terms when they are questioned. And, don't talk down to me. I guarantee I have more knowledge than you. You are entitled to your opinion but, not your opinion of others expertise with no knowledge of such.

First bro no one is talking down to anyone. If you take it that way then you need to check your ego...and don't get text muscles with the assumption you know me or anyone else on this site
 
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First bro no one is talking down to anyone. If you take it that way then you need to check your ego...and don't get text muscles with the assumption you know me

Ok Lovie enough is enough. We need names

Or there are sure to be more Bro-downs on Loyalty
 
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Some examples to my original point about Lovie's MO works great for Alabama.
http://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/fbs/current/team/23/p1
Alabama rushing 13th in the country 612 att. 250.6 yrds per game
Alabama passing 91st in the country 332 att. 196.4 yrds per game and only 3 int...all year

Play conservative and field position until you are forced to open up.
Examples: Clemson game, never forced, 141 rush yrds, 120 pass yrds
Georgia game, 8 att 21 yrds first half, forced to open up, 24 attempts the second half
 
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Some examples to my original point about Lovie's MO works great for Alabama.
http://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/fbs/current/team/23/p1
Alabama rushing 13th in the country 612 att. 250.6 yrds per game
Alabama passing 91st in the country 332 att. 196.4 yrds per game and only 3 int...all year

Play conservative and field position until you are forced to open up.
Examples: Clemson game, never forced, 141 rush yrds, 120 pass yrds
Georgia game, 8 att 21 yrds first half, forced to open up, 24 attempts the second half

Again, this analysis, while accurate, is not complete. The past few years, Alabama has played their own version of a spread offense. The limiting factor with them has been Jalen Hurts and his inability to be an accurate passer. The past two years, he has struggled to pass for more than 2000 yards, leading to that 91st ranking, even with Lane Kiffin.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pih_TjPBdvI

Look at this video of when Saban put in his backup QB (Tua). Almost every single play is in the spread with 3 WR sets. If 'Bama had had a competent passing QB this year, it would have looked a lot like this all year.
 
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Again, this analysis, while accurate, is not complete. The past few years, Alabama has played their own version of a spread offense. The limiting factor with them has been Jalen Hurts and his inability to be an accurate passer. The past two years, he has struggled to pass for more than 2000 yards, leading to that 91st ranking, even with Lane Kiffin.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pih_TjPBdvI

Look at this video of when Saban put in his backup QB (Tua). Almost every single play is in the spread with 3 WR sets. If 'Bama had had a competent passing QB this year, it would have looked a lot like this all year.

I never argued the style of his offense, I honestly am all about the read option personally. My point is conservatism. You can run any offense and either be loose or conservative. He would rather punt and try again as long as his defense is holding up and he is at least within striking distance of the score.
 
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Again, this analysis, while accurate, is not complete. The past few years, Alabama has played their own version of a spread offense. The limiting factor with them has been Jalen Hurts and his inability to be an accurate passer.


Hurts is a 60%+ passer, accuracy is not an issue.
 
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"I'm picking up on your sarcasm"
"Good cause I'm laying it on pretty thick"


FYI Lovie's Defense with a power running game can win National Championships...
See Alabama
(yes different athletes blah blah blah. Not the point. The style is the point)

It works at Alabama because the defense and offense is all 4 and 5 star athletes

To your point, see my original post
 
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Certain paperwork must go through the university for Illinois to even make a hire official. That usually takes more than one business day to complete.

No hire has been submitted for that paperwork as of this tweet.

Asked an Illinois source if that means there is no chance of a presser today. Response: "None."

https://twitter.com/JWerner247
 
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Just another day. Or two. Or a week. Or two. Maybe. No big deal.

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Any business understands that you need to be in control your own narrative. Coach Smith and the Illinois athletic department has lost control.
If you aren’t controlling their own story someone else will. You better believe that this lack of coaching clarity is being used against us in the recruiting arena.
Playing it close to your vest is one thing but this is way past that.
 
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Any business understands that you need to be in control your own narrative. Coach Smith and the Illinois athletic department has lost control.
If you aren’t controlling their own story someone else will. You better believe that this lack of coaching clarity is being used against us in the recruiting arena.
Playing it close to your vest is one thing but this is way past that.

Get away from the ledge guys. There are absolutely NO articles written about our coaching search. There is no narrative. We have a few local beat writers speculating, and then a bunch of us die-hard fans. Half of my Illini fan friends don't even know we fired McGee.

I trust the process, and that Lovie is looking for the right coach/right fit. Keep in mind there are probably hurdles in place (OC has not much room to bring in his own guys, etc) that need to be ironed out. New OC may want to meet with the other assistants to understand fit. It's a 2-way street.

We will hear something soon. This isn't the bamboozle that some of you are making it out to be. Right now it's just a waiting game.
 
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Get away from the ledge guys. There are absolutely NO articles written about our coaching search. There is no narrative. We have a few local beat writers speculating, and then a bunch of us die-hard fans. Half of my Illini fan friends don't even know we fired McGee.

I trust the process, and that Lovie is looking for the right coach/right fit. Keep in mind there are probably hurdles in place (OC has not much room to bring in his own guys, etc) that need to be ironed out. New OC may want to meet with the other assistants to understand fit. It's a 2-way street.

We will hear something soon. This isn't the bamboozle that some of you are making it out to be. Right now it's just a waiting game.

Respectfully disagree. While I do not think that not having an offensive coordinator is a big deal by itself, the issue is that we have 3 spots that have not been filled yet. Most teams have already gotten their 10th assistant coach at this point and that is what I find to be more disturbing. I get coaches taking a vacation around Christmas/New Years, but most staffs are back out on the road recruiting for the second signing period.

Quite frankly, I am borderline amazed/shocked that more hasn't been made of this. I know I am a college football junkie, but surely Whitman has to be telling Lovie to get it in gear.
 
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I can't believe it's been nearly 4 weeks and there's been nothing but silence. Not even a half-way believable twitter rumor.
 
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