Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread (July-August 2016)

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Speak about getting in early on recruits. Marquette just offered Lewis on Monday, July 19th. :)
Hope some of you are not disappointed but the Illini train left Lewis at the station shortly after his UV back in June. Not room for everybody on board.:thumb:

Always disappointed to leave a good guy off the flight, but do like boarding first class first
 
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Joel Goodson

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Speak about getting in early on recruits. Marquette just offered Lewis on Monday, July 19th. :)
Hope some of you are not disappointed but the Illini train left Lewis at the station shortly after his UV back in June. Not room for everybody on board.:thumb:

Writing's been on the wall for awhile. JGood, Frazier and a true PF.
 
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Says going to cut list to Top 5 in the next couple of weeks. No plan for official visits yet. Says JT commitment puts some pressure on him but where to go has to be a "selfish decision." Seemed most enthusiastic about Illinois though. Said his parents are talking about a decision in September.
 
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Speak about getting in early on recruits. Marquette just offered Lewis on Monday, July 19th. :)
Hope some of you are not disappointed but the Illini train left Lewis at the station shortly after his UV back in June. Not room for everybody on board.:thumb:

There's only one reason Groce could cool suddenly on a top 100-ish wing with prototypical size and athleticism who's a coach's son with a great motor and developing skill set: Goodwin and/or Justin Smith are 99.9% certain to commit. Otherwise, you don't say "thanks, but no thanks" to a talent like Lewis. Especially with how hard we're recruiting Milwaukee these days.
 
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Smacko

Lexington, KY
Loving the body language when the recruiting talk starts - countdown to September...

You also have to love that when he mentions schools he mentions us, Mizzou, SLU and NW. No mention of Texas. MSU gets brought up by Burgess but not Goodwin. If that is the field we are up against, that definitely helps.
 
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Joel Goodson

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There's only one reason Groce could cool suddenly on a top 100-ish wing with prototypical size and athleticism who's a coach's son with a great motor and developing skill set: Goodwin and/or Justin Smith are 99.9% certain to commit. Otherwise, you don't say "thanks, but no thanks" to a talent like Lewis. Especially with how hard we're recruiting Milwaukee these days.

Definitely seems like Occam's Razor at work. Let's hope so, anyway.
 
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Not a expert body language reader but you can tell JGood knows where he is going and I highly doubt he makes any official visits outside of Champaign
 
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CAHALL15

Central Illinois
"Feels like home already." Any doubt he'll commit on his OV?

No doubt here.

On the topic of Goodwin, when asked who's talking to him the most he said Illinois, Northwestern, SLU, Mizzou, and "that's it." If that's 4 out of his top 5, you gotta believe we remain in the driver seat. He also said Tilmon is "my little brother." It would be nice to have Frazier commit on an official in August and then maybe do the same with Goodwin in September.
 
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When watching the interview with JGood a one thing comes to mind

If you aren't sure of which schools you want to take a visit to then you probably haven't put a ton of thought into it because your mind is made up.
 
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DJRichardson4threee

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Now that the Peoria pipeline has been dry since DJ graduated, does anyone think Belleville/East St Louis could be the next Peoria?
Started with Malcolm three years ago, getting stronger as time goes by.
 
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Not a expert body language reader but you can tell JGood knows where he is going and I highly doubt he makes any official visits outside of Champaign

From his reaction, I'd say for sure that his mind is already made up. Kid would be a horrible poker player at this stage. Hoping Illinois is the choice. Articulate, well spoken young man.
 
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Joel Goodson

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My memory isn't that great, so correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't recall Evans specifically saying, multiple times, that Illinois was the leader in his recruitment.

Evans didn't say it once. Huge difference between Evans' and Frazier's recruitments.
 
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ILL in IA

Iowa City
I assume Goodwin will be playing football again correct? Gas he stated if this will factor into when he takes visits?
 
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TownieMatt

CU Expat
Chicago
"Feels like home already." Any doubt he'll commit on his OV?

Certainly seems like there's a decent chance. IMO the Frazier recruitment shows the evolution JG has made with his recruiting at Illinois. When he first got here, he was clearly going after the best possible players he could find with interest. He swung, he missed. Now he's employing a strategy that seems more effective for a program like ours. Some principles he seems to be employing:

- Only go hard after the big fish if there's a real tangible reason he would pick us over the blue bloods. Obviously it's easy to make these judgments in retrospect, but it's clear now that pursuing guys like Bragg, Evans, and Thomas was a mistake. Those players had no tangible reason to pick us over the traditional power programs. However, I don't fault Groce in going after guys like Brunson and Cliff Alexander. Those kids did have real reasons to come here, and both nearly did. Those are the big fish we should be after. Tilmon is now the epitome of this strategy. A kid who had a long standing relationship with UI and the staff, and a clear desire to play close to home.

- If a talented player has a strong interest in playing for Illinois, don't pass them over while hoping a bigger name picks UI. In this class, I think Pickett is an example of this. He may turn out to be a good player here, or he may not, but the potential is there. Groce didn't pass up on him to save a scholarship for one of the bigger name wings in the class. Conversely, Glynn Watson is an example of a player I think Groce passed on before learning this lesson.

- Don't get blinded by the Chicago prep hoops circus. There's so much pressure on the UI coach to recruit every decent prospect in Chicago, but doing so means the staff can't invest resources elsewhere. Perhaps it makes things easier that in 2017 the best players in the state aren't in Chicago, but never the less, Groce is casting a wide net and developing strong connections in places like Milwaukee.

- Finding players that are under-recruited. It might seem obvious, but if we can be a kid's best offer, even if only for a while, it's a big bonus. Going hard after players like Lewis and Frazier is a perfect example of this. I think Groce has realized that even if a kid is in-state or has some interest in UI, recruiting battles with 5-10 P5 schools are always tough to win. Charlie Moore is an example of this. I think Groce knew that there would be 5-10 schools in play for Charlie until late in the process, so instead of throwing his hat in the ring and hoping, he locked up a very good alternative in TJL.
 
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BananaShampoo

Captain 'Paign
Phoenix, AZ
Now that the Peoria pipeline has been dry since DJ graduated, does anyone think Belleville/East St Louis could be the next Peoria?
Started with Malcolm three years ago, getting stronger as time goes by.
I wouldn't say the Peoria pipeline has been dry. See: Williams, DaMonte (and Miller, Adam who we are recruiting).
 
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89illinigrad

Chicago
Certainly seems like there's a decent chance. IMO the Frazier recruitment shows the evolution JG has made with his recruiting at Illinois. When he first got here, he was clearly going after the best possible players he could find with interest. He swung, he missed. Now he's employing a strategy that seems more effective for a program like ours. Some principles he seems to be employing:

- Only go hard after the big fish if there's a real tangible reason he would pick us over the blue bloods. Obviously it's easy to make these judgments in retrospect, but it's clear now that pursuing guys like Bragg, Evans, and Thomas was a mistake. Those players had no tangible reason to pick us over the traditional power programs. However, I don't fault Groce in going after guys like Brunson and Cliff Alexander. Those kids did have real reasons to come here, and both nearly did. Those are the big fish we should be after. Tilmon is now the epitome of this strategy. A kid who had a long standing relationship with UI and the staff, and a clear desire to play close to home.

- If a talented player has a strong interest in playing for Illinois, don't pass them over while hoping a bigger name picks UI. In this class, I think Pickett is an example of this. He may turn out to be a good player here, or he may not, but the potential is there. Groce didn't pass up on him to save a scholarship for one of the bigger name wings in the class. Conversely, Glynn Watson is an example of a player I think Groce passed on before learning this lesson.

- Don't get blinded by the Chicago prep hoops circus. There's so much pressure on the UI coach to recruit every decent prospect in Chicago, but doing so means the staff can't invest resources elsewhere. Perhaps it makes things easier that in 2017 the best players in the state aren't in Chicago, but never the less, Groce is casting a wide net and developing strong connections in places like Milwaukee.

- Finding players that are under-recruited. It might seem obvious, but if we can be a kid's best offer, even if only for a while, it's a big bonus. Going hard after players like Lewis and Frazier is a perfect example of this. I think Groce has realized that even if a kid is in-state or has some interest in UI, recruiting battles with 5-10 P5 schools are always tough to win. Charlie Moore is an example of this. I think Groce knew that there would be 5-10 schools in play for Charlie until late in the process, so instead of throwing his hat in the ring and hoping, he locked up a very good alternative in TJL.

I think you can add one more to your list:

- Get in on a recruit early (before he blows up). Tilmon said that Groce believing in him and the Illini recruiting him since he was in 8th grade was a big reason why he committed. If Goodwin commits as well, it probably helped that we were the first P5 school to offer. With Frazier, we were in on him early as well and now he is starting to show everyone just how good he is.

Basically, getting in on a recruit early and building a long standing relationship with that recruit can be the reason why a recruit chooses us over one of the blue bloods.
 
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DJRichardson4threee

IlliniGator2011
Chicago, IL
I wouldn't say the Peoria pipeline has been dry. See: Williams, DaMonte (and Miller, Adam who we are recruiting).

I know Damonte is from Peoria, but when you had at least one player from Peoria on the roster for 20 consecutive years and then don't have one for 3-4 years, I would call that going dry.
 
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Bailey

Los Angeles
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My memory isn't that great, so correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't recall Evans specifically saying, multiple times, that Illinois was the leader in his recruitment.

I don't recall that either, but that still leaves many similarities. Huge gains during the summer before their senior years. (Way) Out of state. Near industry wide consensus that they were Illinois' to lose. Jawun, if you do recall, garnered the infamous "We Have Our PG" post.

We're probably the leader given his quotes - but even then, who knows (ET)? I just would stop well short of saying there's no doubt he's committing on his OV.
 
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Speak about getting in early on recruits. Marquette just offered Lewis on Monday, July 19th. :)
Hope some of you are not disappointed but the Illini train left Lewis at the station shortly after his UV back in June. Not room for everybody on board.:thumb:

I thought this too, but then he said he was planning on visiting Illinois. Lets wait a little longer before we count Lewis completely out.
 
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Kind of surprised he said a September decision. I kind of figured he would decide before or after football season. But I guess a commitment wouldn't be a big distraction if you already know where you're going.:)

He also mumbled at the end that he would take visits before football season so that would be in the next 3-5 weeks.
 
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