As someone asked above also, not sure where this is coming from. His father, mother, and younger brother all accompanied Wilkes on his visit according to published report recapping the visit (Scout).
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As someone asked above also, not sure where this is coming from. His father, mother, and younger brother all accompanied Wilkes on his visit according to published report recapping the visit (Scout).
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I believe it's insidethehall.
A few other points; can we move the status of University of Illinois employees elsewhere? I'm not sure how many posts just were just dedicated to this in the recruiting thread.
As for Wilkes, you gotta think if he was all in on Indiana that he would have committed on the spot. However, it's now almost a week past his official there and Groce was in to visit him a few days ago. The kid has got to have some reservations about going there and perhaps that this is one of those times where, as Kipper was saying when he was being recruited, being a straight shooter was apparent and desired.
Peegs moved from rivals to scout. But it has always been more of a premium board, the free board on peegs has never been very active, and never with much information.
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The last post on The elevator's first link ... a guy with moderator under his name answers the question of if we should feel good about Wilkes choice? "I do, but I'm hearing Kris hasn't decided yet." No idea how true that is, but if he is still thinking about it/ not 100% locked on IU, then we still have a chance, not sure it is still up to a good chance level, but hopefully Crean can still lose this one.
Obviously all speculation on my part, but if this is accurate, that tells me he wants to go to UI but is having a hard time abandoning the home state school.
Yes, Groce undoubtedly would oversign if needed. Here's the reality, though - Crean has oversigned and often. Not just 1 guy, often it's 2 or 3 and seemingly every season.
Some may just chalk it up to semantics, but in my book Crean is at a different level when it comes to this. Can't think of another coach that does things the way he does.
You may have it backwards. My guess is that he wants to go to the home state school, but he is not excited about doing so whilst Clappy is there.
I don't think it helps that his assistants aren't more experienced.
Get an older guy X's and O's guy who knows the B1G, but not a recruiter or program builder. Let Groce be the leader with a strong technical assistant.
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If you're the 11th, 12th or, God forbid, 13th man, beware: Clappy will not hesitate to yank your scholly.
I'm not so sure your sources are all that reliable. Tilmon has not reopened his commitment as you stated in the past, Scruggs did not come down to us and Xavier, and going back farther, Gilder and Thomas did not go to Ok State with Evans. Thank you for your opinion.
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Sure, but let's not be hypocrites as in the case of Wilkes (which is what brought up the discussion), we would have oversigned as well, and there is evidence to actually point to that fact. So criticizing Crean in the context of Wilkes vis-a-vis Groce is hypocritical IMO.
Personally, the act of oversigning is not so much relevant as the result of it. When you have Vonleh, it is irrelevant if you oversign. This year, it is absolutely irrelevant as well. Bryant and OG are pretty much gone, and IMO Blackmon Jr. is a strong possibility. It is not really the integrity/loyalty, but the fact that we do not have the opportunity to sign some better recruits. When Groce had that opportunity, he was ready to do it.
We say that scholarships do not matter (I am in that group), but when others oversign, then we suddenly become sensitive. I think some of the sensitivity is motivated by the fact that they sign a good player, the competitive aspect.
As far as Crean, as I said, he is not saint, but some of the early "creaning" was more because of Sampson IMO and the mess he left behind (IU was left with almost no players because they intentionally and justifiably forced the Sampson players out). He will still oversign these days, but in some years (like this year), it is totally irrelevant IMO.
Other coaches? Is Bielein a saint when he forced players with very high contributions to his program (Bielfeldt, Albrecht) out? To some extent, I think that was worse IMO.
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Derek Piper @DPiperScout 52m52 minutes ago #Illini hoops has Belleville West sophomore forward EJ Liddell (@EasyE2432) at Memorial Stadium. Big in-state priority in the 2019 class.
I would love to lock up EJ but you have to think our new nemesis, SLU, is going to have a good shot.
As stated in the first sentence of my post.
You're OK with the way Crean does things, that's fine. I am not. Again, he does it every year to excess and you can't just excuse it away as Sampson's mess because he had the same reputation at Marquette.
Not sure on the Albrecht situation, I thought he had initially indicated he was not going to be able to play any more due to his injuries and then had a chance of heart? Even if you count those, that's just Crean's normal post season clean-up, see Matt Roth. Bielein's not doing that over and over again, so no, not buying that comparison at all.
I never said I am OK with it. Actually, if you read my previous posts, I clearly said that I do not like the practice. Not just by Crean, by everyone. If I could change the rules, I would not allow oversigning at all. But I do understand that if you allow it, coaches will do it. Not just Crean.
My initial post, was in response to Wilkes and this situation, specifically the statement that "Groce and Crean just seem to be polar opposites with regards to loyalty/integrity."
With respect to Beilein. I said in my previous post, it is the results that matter, not the act of oversigning itself. So if Crean oversigns this year, the fact that he still did it this year again, over and over again, is not so much relevant since players are very likely to go to the NBA, unless he forces another player out. Beilein forced Bielfeldt and Albrecht out in pretty much consecutive years. I see that similar to Roth. Both practices bad. Players like Bielfeldt, Albrecht, Roth had made significant contributions to these programs.
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As spoken from MO.
Polar opposites is probably overstating it, but I do think Crean's history puts him on the far edge of the spectrum of coaches that use this kind of strategy. I'm not sure where Groce fits, but so far I don't see much of a history on his part.
Appreciate you taking hearsay as a guess but you're wrong. He might happen to end up at IU but that's the odds on favorite. Your speculation means no more than anyone else.
Thanks for sharing. I take this as a positive sign for us.
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