Goodwin yes but not really Tilmon. Goodwin lost it when he got pretty much schooled by MS multiple times. It also didn't help his case that he was committed to SLU.
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Goodwin yes but not really Tilmon. Goodwin lost it when he got pretty much schooled by MS multiple times. It also didn't help his case that he was committed to SLU.
I watched a couple of his vids, I like him better than all of the bigs we've recruited in 2018 except DeSousa.
Read an article that said he is interested in playing in college if he is good enough to make it. The article listed some teams that have watched him play but we weren't one of them. He has a 247 page, the only school listed is Stanford.
Hey we've already got a Slovenian, let's go to their neighbors and get a Croatian.
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On a positive note, my source tells me that we are sitting really good with Okoro, Liddell, and Miller. Pretty much what we all figured. Probably will be the last time I can call myself an insider because I typically (meaning never) have got the scoop from A very reliable source. Still feel a bit slimy over the whole thing though.
The Okoro, Liddell, Whitney, and Miller recruitments will likely go the distance into next summer/fall. I can tell you that Mizzou is definitely also strong in the race for Liddell right now.
Has it already been decided that Ayo is Mr BB next year? Mark smith taught us last year that you cant always just pencil in someone for Mr BB prior to the year.
Some posters still talk about CPL, catholic leagues, city leagues, etc. like it is still the 80s and early 90s. They are really not as powerful anymore with respect to top recruits. The power of influence has strongly shifted to showcase AAU programs and within the HS ranks to powerful prep schools, academies, and boarding schools. It is not even close.
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Now this is a revelation! But many of these AAU programs are tied into high schools, so there is not a way to say they're not related still.
Goodwin got hurt and Tilmon played like crap...opened the door for Smith
Get used to it. Hopefully we are through being a school that takes anyone who will sign. If we are good, we get to be picky. This is what picky looks like.
I think why you said is a lot of it, plus playing with Okoro they split time as the Center when they should of been out there together
And Smith was nothing short of outstanding. Give credit where credit is due.
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Do you see power changing at all with the FBI investigations now? This will be a leap on my part, but didn't AAU take so much power with all the shoe money going into them? Will that money keep flowing to the AAU program?
(all questions on my part, for those more in the know to answer)
Maybe not a revelation to anyone else, but given your short lived previous post, maybe it should be a revelation to you.
The CPL was a much more tightly linked group back in the day. There were always strong likes and dislikes but the was a definite bond towards influence in specific directions. That bond, as a league, is not there anymore.
As far as ties into HS (what a revelation!), the players will play for some high school but the power of influence is clearly with AAU programs. People are trying to make it as a Simeon vs. MIF battle or CPL vs. MIF but many of the very prominent Simeon top recruits (e.g., Jabari) are currently extremely close to AAU programs, long after their HS and college playing days.
So the whole notion of Simeon stop sending sending players to MIF or Illinois holds little water. Simeon would have a lot more to lose attracting players if that ever became the case, which it will not.
I'm not sure what is illegal about show money going to AAU programs.
I do not see it. The process of doing business will undergo some changes and coaches will become more cautionary and risk averse but the power will not shift. It will become even stronger.
As long as shoe companies keep sponsoring AAU teams and creating showcase programs and tournaments, the power of influence will not shift. There are significant legal hurdles (impossible really) to prohibit shoe companies sponsorship of AAU programs, so that will not change IMO.
Thought we were just talking about IL kids. I really do hope they win the Big 12, and fully expect them to compete for it at some point.
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Trust me Obelix, I actually played at the collegiate level, had a daughter play at one of the most elite softball programs in the state, and I am a current coach of one now for my other daughter; I do get it a bit more than you may think.
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Didn't say it was illegal. Just asked if the importance and money nike or addidas puts into these programs will change now.
Fine then, you should know, although the dynamics are totally different (e.g., softball) in different sports, including within AAU sponsored sports.
Even what most people consider "AAU basketball" on this board, has nothing to do actually with the AAU organization. There are literally thousands of AAU basketball programs, and I think AAU basketball is a great thing. I have been involved for a long time. What most people consider "AAU" on this board (and other boards) is really the shoe company sponsored programs (extremely small percentage of AAU programs), which just happen to also be registered as AAU teams.
True, as sme one mentioned, Smith outplayed him. However, IMHO, the Goodwin injury is what really sealed the deal.
No offense Mr. Smith :thumb:
wasn't MS schooled by THT and wasn't AYO schooled by him as well, should be very interesting when MP and Simeon play this year
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Looks like Dec 7th at 5 pm at Morgan Park.
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I knew we spoke the same language! Yes, softball is on a completely lower scale, but still has it's share of yuck. Travel/AAU is filled with "rec. teams" and yes, if you can pay, you can generally play somewhere.
I could be wrong, but my belief is that perhaps the Illinois AAU circuit could be a bit more condensed than here in Michigan, thus creating "power" clubs in different sectors of the state. We have Detroit/suburbs (where many migrated during Detroit's meteoric population fall starting in the 2000's, coming back though with help from the Dan Gilbert's of the world). Lansing (MSU & state capital), Flint, Saginaw, Grand Rapids, Kalamazoo, (WMU), and perhaps Battle Creek as pretty decent sized cities with a lot of bball talent. Correct me if I am wrong, but perhaps the talent is a bit more concentrated in Illinois to the city. I know there is Peoria, E. St. Louis, etc.., but Michigan has all there major cities pretty much contained in a small portion of the state.
My only point in referencing Izzo, is that his recruiting success is not contingent on getting the best kids Detroit has to offer, as a matter of fact, it is his smallest base.
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The Population of the entire state of Michigan-9.9M
The population of Chicago/Chicagoland area-9.4M
You can probably see where the two strategies would have to be different.
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