Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread (September 2016)
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Seriously! Can't we just land him already! 
Any word on Wilkes canceling his remaining 4 OV's??
Man how I wish this was indeed true!
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Man if we lose out to SIUE for Wilkes ima be depressed. :huh:
Their new coach is what Memphis wished Josh Pastner had been. Young guy, lots of energy and actually can coach to boot.
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He is waiting on the grey van Izzo is driving to deliver his Monopoly money!
Dressed like this?
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Yeah just to add, he was a Shaka assistant. I've seen him do the havoc defense at a coaching clinic. He was the head coach at Chattanooga before he went back to VCU. VCU's identity still lies in the havoc defense, and he can do it.
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Yeah but it's still VCU. Not an exciting gym imo.
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Havoc is a gimmick D imo. Not a fan and it's easily exploited by two good guards.
Agreed. A good program attracts the stars. How else would you suggest MSU, UM, IU, Syracuse, UConn, XU, OSU, Pitt, or almost any other northern school builds winners?
I found it even more interesting they referred to VCU as a high major.
Gimmicked all the way to the final four. Easy to say it's broken by two good guards, not a lot of teams have two good ball handling guards who play together. You might think that high d1 basketball players have the skills, but it's not always true. At the Texas coaches clinic in May, Bob Huggins, while not running the Havoc style, made a point to repeat that the base of their press was to force anybody with the ball to pass or dribble with their left hand. Winning games and forcing the most turnovers in D1 a high major conference forcing high D1 players left. Of course you gotta have the athletes to do any type of press, but when you do, it's really hard to deal with.
I do not. Their previous decade has moved them into the conversation. We'd trade our last decade for theirs in a heart beat.
My bad. I should have tagged my other post with a *sarcasm* on the front and back end because it was laced with sarcasm.
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High major conference? Living in the middle of it I guess we'll have to disagree on that one. Yes, he made a good run to the F4 one time - but so have some other smaller teams, and he also crashed and burned early as well with that D. I refer to it as a gimmick in that few teams run it - so the opposing teams are not used to handling it - in a similar manner as the SU Zone D. SU's effectiveness started to wane when they joined the ACC and more and more coaches became familiar with how to attack it. Its still very formidable - and a big advantage against teams not used to playing against it.
Stansbury has some really green grass when it comes to recruiting. Might as well stay away from recruits he is going after.
The high major conference part was referring to Bob Huggins in the B12. My next post referring the VCU as a potential high major is obviously subjective, but while Shaka Smart was there they pretty much Gonzaga'd their way up from mid major. And I'm gonna keep disagreeing with you on gimmick. Few teams do it because few teams have the athletes. When you have the athletes it's a highly accepted basketball strategy. Where I come from, using tactics your opponents can't handle, whether it's pressing or the Syracuse 2-3 or anything else, that's called good coaching.
This is what makes Shaka so good. He has his system few run it and only recruits to his system. Definitely not a gimmick offense. Just a smart coach who makes it difficult to game plan against. When very few run a system like it most coaches don't spend a lot of game plan on it.
It's not a gimmick and is not easily exploited. Any guard, I don't care who you are or how good you are, does not like to face pressure the entirety of the court. It's called a strategy. Ask Oklahoma and their 3 good ballhandlers how easy it was to play VCU in the tourney last year. Louisville and their pressure are in Sweet Sixteens year after year. It sure as hell worked for Mike Anderson at Mizzou. Shoot, if we could employ it with our plethora of wing players, I'd be all for it.
Jeff Borzello @jeffborzello 11h11 hours ago
D.J. Harvey to http://ESPN.com : “I was [Mike Brey's] No. 1 guy and he showed it by not missing a single event in all my summers."
Looks like this strategy works sometimes...just didn't with Goodwin!
D.J. Harvey to http://ESPN.com : “I was [Mike Brey's] No. 1 guy and he showed it by not missing a single event in all my summers."
Looks like this strategy works sometimes...just didn't with Goodwin!
I don't know if it was intentional or not but saying that Stansbury has "green grass" is a pretty apt way of describing why he is successful in recruiting. Keep in mind this is the guy who took Renardo Sidney at Mississippi State long after every other coach decided the recruitment was way too dirty.
It's absolutely a gimmick. In the same way the wildcat the pistol formation are/were gimmicks. This is not to say that gimmicks cannot turn into legitimate strategies in the same vein as the shotgun or the hurry up offense. The difference between a gimmick and a paradigm shift is whether it works on a mass scale, and at the highest levels. There's a reason why most NFL teams now embrace the uptempo offense and dropped the wildcat altogether.
Havoc works in college because 1) very few teams run it and 2) the kids are young, and less athletic. It benefits VCU to do something different because there's very few reasons to draw up or even think about great press breakers if you only see it 1x per year. This is also benefits teams like Georgia Tech and Navy with their option based offenses. When you run something that no one else runs, it's really easy to catch people off guard, like in the 3 weeks during the NCAA tournament.
People talk about the VCU defense, but the reason why they win so many games is that they also score as efficiently as almost any other team in the country. With a whole hearted embrace of the Houston Rockets model (layups, FTs and 3s), they win because they have an established system and they coach the players to fit that system. This is an example of the "gimmick" that worked (remember when Phil Jackson said that teams can't win championships by shooting 3s?) The best teams in the NBAs are all great 3 point shooting teams, by construction.
IMO it was really their 3 point shooting that got them to the FF as much as their defense. They hit well over 40% of them and were shooting a high volume of them each game.
Michigan destroyed their defense a couple of seasons after that FF run. And that shows how important match-ups are in the post season, that Michigan team with their ball handling skills is the perfect antidote to "Havoc".
You need athletes but also need the right coach to run it, the player motivational aspect is very crucial, it is difficult to maintain such high level of intensity the whole game. Shaka Smart is the prefect coach to run it IMO, and it is hard to argue with his success so far, no matter what people call it.
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