Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread (September 2016)

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Five-star Wilkes updates visit process

First, he recapped his official visit to Illinois.

“I think (the official visit) was definitely better than the unofficial visit," said Wilkes. "The unofficial I didn’t really get to see too much with the gym being finished and stuff like that I didn’t really get a feel for it. Going down for the official and getting to see more things, staying over night and meeting the players and just seeing what would happen on a daily basis made me consider them more than I did in the past.

"I definitely like them more now.”

...................He also had interesting (almost weird things) to say about Indiana recruitment. Good article - Here's the link: https://illinois.rivals.com/news/five-star-wilkes-updates-visit-process

You weren't kidding:
“Really they just need to be real," said Wilkes. "Don’t show me one side and then be different on the other side. At the end of the day if I go there and you weren’t as real as you were before I don’t want to be one of those guys that transfers so I would have to deal with it.

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illinoisfan11

Peoria, IL
Five-star Wilkes updates visit process

First, he recapped his official visit to Illinois.

“I think (the official visit) was definitely better than the unofficial visit," said Wilkes. "The unofficial I didn’t really get to see too much with the gym being finished and stuff like that I didn’t really get a feel for it. Going down for the official and getting to see more things, staying over night and meeting the players and just seeing what would happen on a daily basis made me consider them more than I did in the past.

"I definitely like them more now.”

...................He also had interesting (almost weird things) to say about Indiana recruitment. Good article - Here's the link: https://illinois.rivals.com/news/five-star-wilkes-updates-visit-process


Definitely weird. Almost calling them liars in the article. Not sure I've ever seen those sort of comments about a school that a recruit is still considering.
 
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CAIllini

West Coast
He doesn't seem all that bullish on us either. Sounds like we went from 1% chance to 5% chance ;) I'll take the improvement though!
 
#681      
Unsubstantiated, I mean really, but I have this feeling that the Wilkes recruitment will come down to Illinois and Xavier.

I'll just leave it at that.
 
#682      
HAVOC relies on the baseline, sideline as another defender with trap help. While quickness helps any athlete, its not a guarantee of good on ball, help, rotate m2m D - there are alot of other factors and BB IQ is also key. Quick, fast does not necc. mean high BB IQ.


If you can say quick/fast doesnt mean good at M2M, why can't you say quick/fast doesn't mean good at havoc? Both have nuances, involve rotation, forcing your man the right way....i would argue havoc argues just as much if not more BBIQ.

In man, you try force them a certain way, same with havoc (generally away from the middle) except you're doing it for a longer range of the court
In man, you rotate....in havoc you rotate to trap, and you also have to rotate if someone gets beat or a trap gets beat..
 
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Smacko

Lexington, KY
Holy cow. I know we're all smarter than to hang on to the words of a kid in an interview, but its hard to look at this as anything less than a terrific development.

I think a lot of you are really reading into this a lot more than you should. The main thing he is saying is that he wants people to "be real" with him. He never accused IU staff of being fake or anything bad. I don't think wanting people to be honest and genuine around you is a particularly strange thing.
 
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Unsubstantiated, I mean really, but I have this feeling that the Wilkes recruitment will come down to Illinois and Xavier.

I'll just leave it at that.

The feeling I get from Wilkes is that UCLA and Xavier are the top tier RIGHT NOW. With IU and Illinois on the outside looking in. I think IU can definitely improve their situation by just being real/ honest with Wilkes. Because he's so familiar with the program they can pop up there and win in the end. It just seems like his attitude towards Illinois is, "oh yeah, she's cute, she's cute."

Illinois needs to land Kiir. Get that kid on campus and close the deal and this class was a huge, HUGE success. JFG!!!:chief:
 
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Wilkes comments to me sounds very negative towards IU and this isn't deciphering tea leaves, it is in plain language. Interesting he mentions "transfers at IU", he may have possibly spoken to current players who aren't happy with clappy.

I thought IU was the team to beat and only Clappy could screw this up. I think he may have. Not sure he would go all the way to UCLA, think Xavier may have the inside track due to long term relationship, midwest school, and quality teammates.

After seeing the video I actually think he fits Groce offense pretty good. I'm not a fan of the stretch 4 concept, yes I know it is being common place. Wilkes looks like he could play that role well, hit the 3's, run the floor, and his frame looks like he can rebound and defend at the college level.
 
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whovous

Washington, DC
He sounds undecided about completing all five visits. Throw in the month long break before the last two, and he could decide after doing three. If he does that, then Xavier and Conn are out. Throw out Crean just because he is Crean, and it is us vs UCLA.

All this spinning is making me dizzy. I'd give us a better than 10% chance and fear we may once again be someone's second choice.
 
#688      
Wilkes comments to me sounds very negative towards IU and this isn't deciphering tea leaves, it is in plain language. Interesting he mentions "transfers at IU", he may have possibly spoken to current players who aren't happy with clappy.

I thought IU was the team to beat and only Clappy could screw this up. I think he may have. Not sure he would go all the way to UCLA, think Xavier may have the inside track due to long term relationship, midwest school, and quality teammates.

After seeing the video I actually think he fits Groce offense pretty good. I'm not a fan of the stretch 4 concept, yes I know it is being common place. Wilkes looks like he could play that role well, hit the 3's, run the floor, and his frame looks like he can rebound and defend at the college level.

Wilkes is a 3 and will play a 3 at the college level for a year or two.
 
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My suggestion is that he did it because he needed to.

Havoc is his basketball philosophy by choice. His coaching mentors are Purnell, Pitino, and Billy Donovan. He comes from a pressing coaching tree. On top of that, the idea that he would just have these long, elite athletes laying around VCU when he showed up is crazy when you look height/talent/athleticism differences between the different tiers of division one. I know I'm a huge Shaka fan, and I've had the fortune of seeing him and his assistants teach havoc multiple times in a clinic setting. These guys are all in on this philosophy and their programs and practices are built around it.

Now, who's excited about those Wilkes comments?:D
 
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I think a lot of you are really reading into this a lot more than you should. The main thing he is saying is that he wants people to "be real" with him. He never accused IU staff of being fake or anything bad. I don't think wanting people to be honest and genuine around you is a particularly strange thing.

I don't usually read into any of what these kids say but these were't your garden variety cliches. They were pretty specific remarks. Try telling your significant other out of the blue that you need them to start "being real' with you and see how they respond.
 
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Tommy Gun

San Juan Capistrano, CA
Havoc is his basketball philosophy by choice. His coaching mentors are Purnell, Pitino, and Billy Donovan. He comes from a pressing coaching tree. On top of that, the idea that he would just have these long, elite athletes laying around VCU when he showed up is crazy when you look height/talent/athleticism differences between the different tiers of division one. I know I'm a huge Shaka fan, and I've had the fortune of seeing him and his assistants teach havoc multiple times in a clinic setting. These guys are all in on this philosophy and their programs and practices are built around it.

Now, who's excited about those Wilkes comments?:D

I totally agree...To me, "havoc" is more than just a defensive philosophy. Havoc is trying to control the game and assert his team's will; it favors a certain type of athlete (long, lean, springy, aggressive); and havoc leans toward needing (and getting) a deeper team. And, wow, it looks like fun, it is fun...How's that for buy-in, on both the way in and throughout?

I happen to favor havoc. That said, especially with 3-point shooters improving their accuracy and range as the game evolves, defense needs to be extended, longer and harder. On a certain level, defense is all about making the offense uncomfortable, whether contesting every shot or forcing left-handed passes out of traps.

Finally, whether havoc or other, imposing one's will, via any style of play, is extremely important. I'd say essential, lest I get nit-picked. And, yes, I am disappointed that the Illini's trademark style is...Unknown.
 
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Try telling your significant other out of the blue that you need them to start "being real' with you and see how they respond.

So, I just did that. She went and took her makeup off and now I don't recognize the woman next to me. :thumb: Thanks man.
 
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One game means little, especially when it comes to far more talented team that was the NC runner-up that year. It would be the same as criticizing Lon Kruger as a coach and his basketball schemes for losing and getting embarrassed by Villanova by 44 points. Actually worse since Lon and Oklahoma were the favorites.

Shaka did very well at VCU and I do not think it is a coincidence. I can understand some of the negative feelings towards him for turning us down, although he was most fans favorite until then. Good coaches adjust based on personnel, and Shaka, and for the talent he could get at VCU, he did great. He is a very good coach IMO, and a good recruiter, he has that type of personality. Getting a top-5 class right off the bat at Texas was impressive.

You assume WAY too much if that was directed to me... I was not on that band wagon. Count me in the group that DID NOT want to see HAVOC come to Assembly Hall. And, seriously, just because I called out one team/game doesn't mean there are not others - did they go undefeated during his career other than against michigan? But I'll stop here. This conversation really belongs in some other thread.
 
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#697      
HAVOC relies on the baseline, sideline as another defender with trap help. While quickness helps any athlete, its not a guarantee of good on ball, help, rotate m2m D - there are alot of other factors and BB IQ is also key. Quick, fast does not necc. mean high BB IQ.

"My suggestion is that he did it because he needed to. Had good quick long athletes that would not perform as well in typical mtm D."

I think I/and other poster who called you out on this, took this "He had good, quick, long athletes, which do not perform well in typical mtm D." I now realize you probably meant "He had good, quick, long athletes, but they did not perform well in typical mtm D."

You weren't generalizing long, quick athletes as being bad at m2m, but rather the ones that VCU had.

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did they go undefeated during his career other than against michigan?

Huh? A coach has to go undefeated in his career to be a good coach with a good system? Great argument. :D

A coach and system is not defined by a specific game (e.g., Michigan) or whether they go undefeated. Kruger and his system is not defined either by the Villanova game where they got clobbered by 44 in a game that were favored nevertheless. And no, Kruger did not go undefeated the rest of his career either :hand:
 
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Smacko

Lexington, KY
I don't usually read into any of what these kids say but these were't your garden variety cliches. They were pretty specific remarks. Try telling your significant other out of the blue that you need them to start "being real' with you and see how they respond.

"Being real" and "Keeping it 100" both of which he used are common cliches among highschool age kids. Comparing a marriage to a highschool recruitment is laughable.

People can read his comments however they want. If he was so negative about Indiana now then why is he still going on the visit? Why not cancel if they are out of the running? He has already been on campus a ton of times so its not like it is a new exciting place for him to visit.
 
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Huh? A coach has to go undefeated in his career to be a good coach with a good system? Great argument. :D

A coach and system is not defined by a specific game (e.g., Michigan) or whether they go undefeated. Kruger and his system is not defined either by the Villanova game where they got clobbered by 44 in a game that were favored nevertheless. And no, Kruger did not go undefeated the rest of his career either :hand:

Dang. If I would have stopped after coaching my first game I would have been the best coach ever. Missed that opportunity. :doh:
 
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