Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread

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Pretty sure Tim Anderson had the following credentials:

1. ran an NBA draft training camp which brought in players from all over the country.
2. Strong ties to Meanstreets AAU program
3. Has actual NCAA coaching experience.
4. His brother played in the NBA.
And he had 5 multihit performances in his first 6 playoff games. (Sorry, I’ll get over the name thing eventually, still running its course.)
 
#102      
Yes I would keep expectations tempered but the staff feels 1000% better about the situation now than they did 6 months ago. Also Geoff is awesome....underrated recruiter....really connects with the kids more than you'd expect him to.
Is this because JJ didn't care for our previous AC's or that he just loves our current group?
 
#104      
Tim Anderson....
Season 3 Wall GIF by The Simpsons
 
#106      
My point is…. It’s not like Chin was some Ace recruiter pulling top 50 players from all over the country. He was very good at recruiting from a single Chicago AAU team. Don’t get me wrong, I’d take him back in a second. I just think he is a bit overrated as a recruiter.
I wouldn't take him back now. He did fine when he was here, but he wanted to play Miller over Curbelo as the primary ballhandler when Ayo was out. He was choosing AAU loyalties over the good of the Illinois team. That right there should disqualify him from ever coaching here again. Lol
 
#109      
Bates. Way overrated. I will be surprised if he is more that just a good player.
Memphis held a sort of pre-season pro day about a week ago. His measurables are below:

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For reference, Luka Garza beat out his sprint, agility, and shuttle times while nearly matching Bates's vertical numbers.

Garza hit 24/29 on the verticals. 3.51 on the sprint, 11.9 on agility, 3.38 on the shuttle. https://www.nba.com/stats/draft/combine-strength-agility/

On top of all that, there are all sorts of stories out there about his lack of work ethic, stagnation in development after going to the prep school his dad created, etc.
 
#110      
Disagree. The competition has always been a factor in recruiting and part of what kept independents and mid majors from taking the next step. On top of that is television time.

It's ironic you say this about Memphis since they've been on a constant search for a more prestigious conference.
So recruits want to play lesser competition and not be on national television?

To be clear, I was saying the only reason they go to Memphis is Penny and Pennies, lots and lots of them.

If competition and TV time were at the heart, they be in B10, ACC, or SEC. I don't think in my entire life, I've turned on a Memphis game during prime time on a weekend. I'm sure they have, but not on my radar.
 
#111      
Memphis held a sort of pre-season pro day about a week ago. His measurables are below:

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For reference, Luka Garza beat out his sprint, agility, and shuttle times while nearly matching Bates's vertical numbers.

Garza hit 24/29 on the verticals. 3.51 on the sprint, 11.9 on agility, 3.38 on the shuttle. https://www.nba.com/stats/draft/combine-strength-agility/

On top of all that, there are all sorts of stories out there about his lack of work ethic, stagnation in development after going to the prep school his dad created, etc.
The Wingspan and vertical jump numbers are so bad, I almost don't believe them. A 6'9 basketball player w/ a 6-7.25 wingspan is pretty odd.
 
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The desert
You think NIL makes all payments legal? There will still be under the table/illegal payments going on
I have no doubt that this will happen if it's necessary to gain a competitive advantage, but why does there even need to be illegal payments? The NIL situation seemingly gives "customers" such leeway in what they spend that it would seemingly not need to be an under the table payment. Why take the risk if you can just do it all above board?
 
#116      
Forgottonia
I have no doubt that this will happen if it's necessary to gain a competitive advantage, but why does there even need to be illegal payments? The NIL situation seemingly gives "customers" such leeway in what they spend that it would seemingly not need to be an under the table payment. Why take the risk if you can just do it all above board?
Because there are rules and some people don’t like rules. Just like some people lie because they are liars even when there is no reason to. One I foresee happening all the time is schools are not allowed to make any promises on NIL money. It’s almost laughable to think that’s not going on right now.
 
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The desert
Because there are rules and some people don’t like rules. Just like some people lie because they are liars even when there is no reason to. One I foresee happening all the time is schools are not allowed to make any promises on NIL money. It’s almost laughable to think that’s not going on right now.
But it's so easy to say "we project something in this range" without making promises. It's such an easy workaround that requires very little effort but remains legal. So why risk everything to do things under the table? Just for the thrill? NIL Sportsbook? I just don't get it.
 
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Colorado Springs, CO
I have no doubt that this will happen if it's necessary to gain a competitive advantage, but why does there even need to be illegal payments? The NIL situation seemingly gives "customers" such leeway in what they spend that it would seemingly not need to be an under the table payment. Why take the risk if you can just do it all above board?
Exactly. Now that big booster instead of donating a large amount to the program can just say "I'll take 50,000 of the t-shirts my favorite player is making"

I'm not sure if there's a limit on how much a player can take from any one source though. Anyone know the details on that?
 
#120      
The desert
Exactly. Now that big booster instead of donating a large amount to the program can just say "I'll take 50,000 of the t-shirts my favorite player is making"

I'm not sure if there's a limit on how much a player can take from any one source though. Anyone know the details on that?
"Can you take a photo with my son and sign it? I will pay you $200,000."
 
#122      
The desert
So, it seems it's ok to pay the recruit $200,000 after he signs, but FWIW it's illegal to "promise" to pay the recruit $200,000 if he signs.
Sure, but it doesn't appear to be illegal to make projections, and as long as those sorts of payments aren't under the table, you can even (seemingly) safely point to precedent for why you are making said projections.
 
#123      
But it's so easy to say "we project something in this range" without making promises. It's such an easy workaround that requires very little effort but remains legal. So why risk everything to do things under the table? Just for the thrill? NIL Sportsbook? I just don't get it.
Because it’s much easier to convince a teenager to join your team if you guarantee him $X dollars rather than projecting a range. Especially if another school guarantees him $X.

Why do you think players got paid under the table before?
 
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The desert
Because it’s much easier to convince a teenager to join your team if you guarantee him $X dollars rather than projecting a range. Especially if another school guarantees him $X.

Why do you think players got paid under the table before?
For one, they literally couldn't legally get paid at all. If the only drawback to staying entirely above board right now is that you can't promise dollars, but you can give projections with history to back it up, I don't see why anyone would consider that risk worth it.
 
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