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I think you nailed it. The contract can require staying N years, or maybe be a balloon payment system. It feels like it should be possible to come up with a fairly generic agreement to make the entire processes easier. e.g. one based on the number of years on the team, minutes played per game on average, and whether they got any awards (1/2/3 team All Conference, 1/2/3 team All American). If they get drafted, they get everything.
I couldn't think of other performance based metrics that wouldn't lead to other issues. e.g. becoming a chucker based on pts scored, or refusing to take the shot as the clock runs out because it would lower your shooting efficiency.
Thank you has he made a commitment?
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In. The. Alley.
Package deal with Bryce Hopkins ???
Unfortunately this exact scenario happens every day in Corporate America.
They are working on it.. and it definitely involves concrete canoes
They will uh a, have to circle back.. It is, well... never ending.
I think coaches in the NBA who aren't also GMs can focus on coaching and not being the middle men to hook up teenagers with 6 or 7 figure "endorsement" deals.
I understand this is the "new normal" for college hoops and I'm good with it, but I can also comprehend that this "new normal" is more stressful for college coaches than the "old normal".
As long as they have tall $, it continues to stroke their egos, and they continue to have a staff of good accountants and attorneys to write it off as a business expense.
Isn't that exactly how the professional world works?
Eh that would only work to an extent. It is no different than Lebron going to Miami or LA. Cleveland could pay him just as much as either of the places he left for but the opportunities outside of basketball are what took him to the other cities. The same will be true of these players albeit to a lesser degree. The deals that are being called NIL are defacto sponsorships which will always be in line with market size and alumni that want to fund such things.
It is true that you will never get perfect parity. There will always be some destinations that are more desirable than others, and programs that have advantages over others. But just because you can't make the field perfectly level doesn't mean you can't make it more level. Don't let perfect be the enemy of good.
For coaches today, it is so much more stressful. Before, the coaches could do whatever they wanted to a teenager. Play them. Not play them. Kick them off the team. Make them change positions. Anything. They were gods!. For coaches, it was so much better for them when they had all the power. And personally, I am glad to see the change. College basketball was ALWAYS a dirty sport. You think Ruiz in Miami just started paying players? Come on. Now it is out in the open - and guess what? Miami got Pack a huge deal and Wong is upset and might transfer. So it isn't as easy as just "pay more." Any of us working today can sign a long term contract or have at will employment (allowing us to leave tomorrow). The fact that college athletes didn't have that option was always detrimental to them (and benefitted coaches). And by the way, Ruiz at Miami (and Illinois Guardians) could "sign" people to two year deals with increasing payouts (first year $100k, second year $200k, etc.). Creativity is going to be required, and old school bag men are done. For me, I love it. Creates an even playing field for people who have integrity who spent years battling the Selfs and Pearls of the college basketball world.
Exactly, which is why we should call NIL exactly what it is, a sham. It has nothing to do with usage of name, image and likeness. It is simply now mercenary professional basketball payments to 18 year old kids, 3 months removed from sitting in a high school desk, with no proven track record of success in the sport at the highest levels. Exactly what the NBA smartly has avoided.
I’ll leave it at this. BU left ok state after 1 season. We can debate all we want on the merits of it. But those are the facts. In doing so he created uncertainty on that entire roster. He left for one reason, a better opportunity for himself. Those kids he recruited who never played for him felt some way about it I’m sure. But they had no power. Had to request to get out of LOI. Some would have to sit out a year. So seeing some power return to the players doesn’t bother me. I can understand how frustrating it is for some. But if you think for a second BUs agent wasn’t leveraging the “most wins in the big ten” the last few seasons into BUs most recent pay increase then I have some oceanfront property in Monticello to sell you. The coaches have been negotiating off the players backs for years. I think it is time they monetize their own performances as well. You’ve been watching “professional” athletes for years. Kofi didn’t come play in the middle of a cornfield for free, OA is well known for this. All they have done is remove the blinders.
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One major difference between the pros and NIL is the lack of transparency. So coaches don't have a way to know what they're competing against.
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I bet Tom Izzo is saying to himself, I’m getting too old for this.
I wouldn’t be shocked if he goes the way of Jay Wright.
I wouldn’t be shocked if he goes the way of Jay Wright.
I know all you've written to be true. I'm no less enlightened than you. If you like what's going on that's great. Good for you. Enjoy it. But for me and many others who grew up watching actual amateur student athletics, we're going to miss it. I'm not trying to convince you that it's bad. I just believe it will never be the same. I know the world changes. It is pretty rare today to watch a team like the Bears draft a Payton or Butkus and they were Bears for life. I enjoyed that. Was it great for them? Maybe not. But I loved it. So, you love what's going on now? Awesome. Celebrate it! But don't bark at me for being an old man because I lament the passing of something I found to be a purer form of amateur athletics.
Do you have any in Mahomet so Coach K can be my neighbor?
I have as hard of a time feeling sorry for millionaires as anyone, but it's not like most of these coaches weren't already working plenty hard. It is now just different (and adjusting will be difficult). Some will adapt and see it as just another challenge, and some will choose another path. I'd guess most of them didn't get into the business because they wanted to get rich though. Hopefully they enjoyed teaching and coaching and the top ones are there because they've busted their butts to get there. At least that's what I'm going to tell myself. Honestly, I'd have to love something an awful lot - in spite of the money - to put in the amount of time and effort recruiting, and now constant re-recruiting, requires.
Okay… so is today the day??
I, for one, blame Ed O’Bannon for this thread derailment.
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