Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread

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OrangeLife

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FrankNitty30 said:
Not true. Schools absolutely CANNOT be involved in the setting up, instigating, or follow through of a deal. However, in January the NCAA came out and basically said, if a collective that gives money to your athletes does something wrong, the school is “guilty until proven innocent.”

Therefore, a lot of school are involved in the information loop, and can voice objections to deals, but at the end of the day, can’t stop it. But, that gives them the option to say “we objected to this deal.”
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Of course schools are not involved in the NIL deals [go ahead and say that with a straight face]. Please rephrase my post, replacing all instances of "school" with NIL collective.
 
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Qdog59

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EyeoftheIllini said:
He’ll play, but I don’t see him getting any more minutes than he got last year and very possibly less just based on the numbers game if we see Shannon and Hawk return and a vet PG brought in. Now if some of what the insiders think will happen doesn’t, he’ll still need to improve his shooting to see his mpg increase over last year I think.
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What part of he changes the game don't you understand??? He raises the energy of the whole team when he hits the floor. If you need an example go back and watch the Northwestern game
 
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FrankNitty30

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TCTORNADO said:
The University has nothing to do with NIL$. The legit part of NIL$'s still comes out of DIA of course, The bigger portion of NIL$ still comes out of the bag drop and very very few people know that trail. Keep in mind that the Wild Wild West has gotten enormous. Where this all ends is anybody's guess. But it's safe to say that the days of the amateur student athlete are long gone. Go Illini
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This is true, and this is where it can get crazy.

When Alston v NCAA legalized college athletes to earn market value for the Name, Image and Likeness, it created a precedent that NO ONE could interfere with that. This wasn’t a 5/4 split either. This was unanimous.

What caught the NCAA off guard were the collectives. The NCAA thought the Olivia Dunne’s, Cavender Twins, Oscar Tshiebwe and Caleb Williams’s of the world would get endorsements and it would all be merit based.

But, to tie my earlier post in here, the NCAA did not take into account the passion, competitiveness, or eagerness of fans to get their team an advantage. Literally the NCAA was caught with their pants down.

In fact, of the 3 entities (collective, university and NCAA) the one that has the best grasp of the intent of the Alston v NCAA parameters is the collective. School’s can try and strong arm, via the bolded above, but they are opening themselves up to a WORLD OF HURT, if a kid finds out that they lost money because the University capped them, or were directing where the money could go…. Remember the Supreme Court ruled 9-0 IN FAVOR OF THE ATHLETE.

Right now the NCAA is sitting quiet, and occasionally spouting from the bully pulpit, aka schools are guilty until THEY (Universities) can prove they are not guilty. Why? Because the NCAA has ZERO teeth they can apply to anything. That 2 transfer rule will never stand up in court (Supreme Court 9-0).

The NCAA investigated the Cavender Twins, who went to Miami using that Ruiz money. They (Miami) did not even hide that they were recruiting them with NIL money and the NCAA sniffed around, Ruiz said talk to my lawyers and the NCAA found “no wrong doing by the University of Miami.”

They have no teeth.
 
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pruman91

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WyattEarp said:
I did indeed. Thanks for asking, Man. Lol.
You’re consistently amusing/entertaining. 😂.
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TheDukeUIUC

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FrankNitty30 said:
You would be wrong.
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This just doesn't make sense. While I understand that the university can't formally make the NIL agreement, if the collective said "yea we can pay Epps that much" that doesn't mean BU wants them to pay that asking price and keep him on the team. The collective also has to know what prospects BU wants for the team in order to make deals attractive enough for commitment. These two parties cannot be operating independently.
 
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altgeld88

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Arlington, Virginia
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sacraig said:
Like other jangle pop tunes, Orange Crush isn't much of a banger.
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Strongly disagree. “Jangle pop” isn’t even in the neighborhood of this one. I think it would be an excellent choice. I mean it isn’t “Enter Sandman” but what else is?
 
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Ghost77

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WyattEarp said:
Yes…to all of that. What a bizarre event that was.

Total Random Tangent: speaking of REM…Why doesn’t the Orange Krush use their tune Orange Crush? Seems like a no brainer to me. Micheal Stipe lived in Collinsville in HS years. I feel like he would likely give his blessing…I 🤷‍♂️ just a thought…View attachment 25080
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As it was told to me, Michael hated his time at CHS because he was constantly made fun of for being different. Not sure if this might have led to a general distaste for all things Illinois related.
 
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WyattEarp

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Ghost77 said:
As it was told to me, Michael hated his time at CHS because he was constantly made fun of for being different. Not sure if this might have led to a general distaste for all things Illinois related.
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Huh. That’s kind of a bummer. :(
Not completely surprising…but kind of a bummer.
 
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chiefini

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Rockford, Illinois
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TCTORNADO said:
The University has nothing to do with NIL$. The legit part of NIL$'s still comes out of DIA of course, The bigger portion of NIL$ still comes out of the bag drop and very very few people know that trail. Keep in mind that the Wild Wild West has gotten enormous. Where this all ends is anybody's guess. But it's safe to say that the days of the amateur student athlete are long gone. Go Illini
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@TCTORNADO, good to see you back. I don’t know much about NIL$, but I do know that the Guardians Leadership keep their cards very close to their chest…Also, I know the new ICON is totally unconnected to the DIA, and Kathleen Knight had to leave the University to lead it…
 
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Bucktown

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FrankNitty30 said:
This is true, and this is where it can get crazy.

When Alston v NCAA legalized college athletes to earn market value for the Name, Image and Likeness, it created a precedent that NO ONE could interfere with that. This wasn’t a 5/4 split either. This was unanimous.

What caught the NCAA off guard were the collectives. The NCAA thought the Olivia Dunne’s, Cavender Twins, Oscar Tshiebwe and Caleb Williams’s of the world would get endorsements and it would all be merit based.

But, to tie my earlier post in here, the NCAA did not take into account the passion, competitiveness, or eagerness of fans to get their team an advantage. Literally the NCAA was caught with their pants down.

In fact, of the 3 entities (collective, university and NCAA) the one that has the best grasp of the intent of the Alston v NCAA parameters is the collective. School’s can try and strong arm, via the bolded above, but they are opening themselves up to a WORLD OF HURT, if a kid finds out that they lost money because the University capped them, or were directing where the money could go…. Remember the Supreme Court ruled 9-0 IN FAVOR OF THE ATHLETE.

Right now the NCAA is sitting quiet, and occasionally spouting from the bully pulpit, aka schools are guilty until THEY (Universities) can prove they are not guilty. Why? Because the NCAA has ZERO teeth they can apply to anything. That 2 transfer rule will never stand up in court (Supreme Court 9-0).

The NCAA investigated the Cavender Twins, who went to Miami using that Ruiz money. They (Miami) did not even hide that they were recruiting them with NIL money and the NCAA sniffed around, Ruiz said talk to my lawyers and the NCAA found “no wrong doing by the University of Miami.”

They have no teeth.
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They do control eligibility to play, and the transfer process is part of that. I am a little nostalgic (naive) but after all these are students. And the universities are first and foremost in the business of education. If the NCAA is able to keep some semblance of control over eligibility, I think it will work itself out. Multi-year deals will anchor some kids to schools.
 
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pruman91

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Paducah, Ky
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#171      

pruman91

pruman91
Paducah, Ky
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TCTORNADO said:
The University has nothing to do with NIL$. The legit part of NIL$'s still comes out of DIA of course, The bigger portion of NIL$ still comes out of the bag drop and very very few people know that trail. Keep in mind that the Wild Wild West has gotten enormous. Where this all ends is anybody's guess. But it's safe to say that the days of the amateur student athlete are long gone. Go Illini
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howdy pardner.....been a minute.......................
 
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FrankNitty30

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Bucktown said:
They do control eligibility to play, and the transfer process is part of that. I am a little nostalgic (naive) but after all these are students. And the universities are first and foremost in the business of education. If the NCAA is able to keep some semblance of control over eligibility, I think it will work itself out. Multi-year deals will anchor some kids to schools.
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2 years ago you would be right.

After Alston v NCAA it will take one lawsuit claiming the NCAA policy hindered their right to profit off of NIL, and then it will disappear.

Now, if the rule changed to, ANY transfer and you have to sit out a year, that shows impartiality and could be argued as procedural to the integrity of the college model.

But this whole: this qualifies, but this doesn’t…… can’t imagine it will fly.
 
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