Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread

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Sweet 16s are common for top programs. We want to be a top program. Thus Sweet 16s need to be common.

It's really as simple as that.
Since 1952, we have had 7 teams win more than one game in the NCAA tournament; 1983-84, 1984-85, 1988-1989, 2000-01, 2001-02, 2003-2004, 2004-05.

Six of those teams had something in common; the 7th was the flying Illini.
 
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Just a hop, skip and a 12 hour drive from the Tacoma aroma
Nowhere near as bad as it used to be there, my friend.

As for the Great Salt Lake … it’s really a dying sea, far saltier and smellier than the ocean … an increasingly exposed sea bed whose acrid, poisonous mixture is carried by the westerlies to the populated eastern shore where it compresses and intensifies at the base of the Wasatch Range. Ray J, it’s a death trap and will cut years off your young life!
 
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Total Tournament Appearances 1942-2023: 33

Sweet 16 Appearances

2005 - National Championship Game
2004 - Sweet 16
2002 - Sweet 16
2001 - Elite Eight
1989 - Final Four
1985 - Sweet 16
1984 - Elite Eight
1981* - 32 teams total, started in round of 16
1963* - Elite Eight, 18 teams total
1952* - Final Four, 16 teams total
1951* - Final Four, 16 teams total
1949* - Final Four, 8 teams total
1942* - Elite Eight, 8 teams total

Since the start of the 64-68 team field, Illinois has been to 6 Sweet 16 's in 38 tournaments held. That's 15%
The tournament started in 1939. Of the 84 tournaments held, Illinois has been one of the 16 or better teams standing 13 times... also 15%. (Six of those tournaments, Illinois started in the round of 16 or better)
So I guess this all comes down to what your defintion of "uncommon" is. Websters defines "common" as "occurring or appearing frequently."

Is 15% freqeunt?
Give me some perspective. Other than the "bluebloods" what is the average?
 
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Nowhere near as bad as it used to be there, my friend.

As for the Great Salt Lake … it’s really a dying sea, far saltier and smellier than the ocean … an increasingly exposed sea bed whose acrid, poisonous mixture is carried by the westerlies to the populated eastern shore where it compresses and intensifies at the base of the Wasatch Range. Ray J, it’s a death trap and will cut years off your young life!
True the Aroma of Tacoma is basically gone since they closed the pulp mill.
 
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Give me some perspective. Other than the "bluebloods" what is the average?
The calculations will be very different pre/post 1983(?) when the tournament went to 48 and then 64 teams. Before that you had to win your conference to make the tournament, so the percentage of smaller conferences teams in the s16 was much higher. (At least 10 from non-power conferences by definition.)

Looking at the numbers since 1983, we seem to be about average for a non-blue blood power conference member. Maybe a tad above.

A back of the envelope calculation:
- Assume 3/4 of the blue bloods make the S16 on average each year. (Duke, Kansas, Kentucky, UNC.)
- Throw in 1-2 non-power conference teams each year.
That leaves 11-12 slots for the rest of the P6 teams.
- The P6 conferences had ~64 teams until recently. Call it 60 teams plus 4 blue bloods.

12 slots / 60 power conference teams = 20%
11 slots / 60 = 18.2%

Since 1983 we have had eight S16 or better. 8/39yrs = 20.5%.
 
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The calculations will be very different pre/post 1983(?) when the tournament went to 48 and then 64 teams. Before that you had to win your conference to make the tournament, so the percentage of smaller conferences teams in the s16 was much higher. (At least 10 from non-power conferences by definition.)

Looking at the numbers since 1983, we seem to be about average for a non-blue blood power conference member. Maybe a tad above.

A back of the envelope calculation:
- Assume 3/4 of the blue bloods make the S16 on average each year. (Duke, Kansas, Kentucky, UNC.)
- Throw in 1-2 non-power conference teams each year.
That leaves 11-12 slots for the rest of the P6 teams.
- The P6 conferences had ~64 teams until recently. Call it 60 teams plus 4 blue bloods.

12 slots / 60 power conference teams = 20%
11 slots / 60 = 18.2%

Since 1983 we have had eight S16 or better. 8/39yrs = 20.5%.
Going on nearly 20 years.
We are due.
 
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DeonThomas

South Carolina
what made no sense to me about RayJ going to Utah was, where are his parents?

If the rumors are true and we're offering significantly more money, I'm going to be pretty pissed that my son is taking less money to play on a worse team 20 hours away from home instead of 2. The NBA isn't a guarantee regardless where you play, but that money is real. Take it now and see what happens later.
Logical.

It means little, but again, very logical.
 
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DeonThomas

South Carolina
The calculations will be very different pre/post 1983(?) when the tournament went to 48 and then 64 teams. Before that you had to win your conference to make the tournament, so the percentage of smaller conferences teams in the s16 was much higher. (At least 10 from non-power conferences by definition.)

Looking at the numbers since 1983, we seem to be about average for a non-blue blood power conference member. Maybe a tad above.

A back of the envelope calculation:
- Assume 3/4 of the blue bloods make the S16 on average each year. (Duke, Kansas, Kentucky, UNC.)
- Throw in 1-2 non-power conference teams each year.
That leaves 11-12 slots for the rest of the P6 teams.
- The P6 conferences had ~64 teams until recently. Call it 60 teams plus 4 blue bloods.

12 slots / 60 power conference teams = 20%
11 slots / 60 = 18.2%

Since 1983 we have had eight S16 or better. 8/39yrs = 20.5%.
- 1976: Indiana and Scott May defeated Michigan and Ricky Green 86-68 in the 1976 NCAA national championship game
- 1981: Our Illini (Eddie, Smitty, Harp, Griff, Perry Range, Craig Tucker and "The Incredible Holc") finished 3rd in the Big 10 and lost in the Sweet 16 to Rolando Blackman/K. State

Data output is only as good as the data input........just sayin'.
 
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