Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread

[JJE]

Metro East resident here. I’m down. Look for a dorky middle aged guy sporting Illini clothing.

When is it?

Last weekend, but looks to become a growing annual event.

 

[JJE]

Probably just passing through. He’s actually on his way to Atlantic City

 

[Joel Goodson]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1674211711530795009

 

[BRucks]

This is my unpopular opinion, but the 1st Amendment should be repealed and revised to account for the internet and social media. It should be illegal to post or display offensive or untrue statements in public or on the internet. Anything even resembling support for hate groups should be banned from public unless it’s in a museum and contextualized. Allowing this to go on as long as it has is no different than letting someone yell fire in public or make bomb threats, only its been going on for the last 150 years.

Who will determine what is offensive? We can't seem to be able to agree on that in this thread. Which 'hate' groups? Is Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence a hate group? What about Moms For Liberty? SPLC has identified nearly a thousand in the US. Then, of course, others identify the SPLC as a hate group.

 

[pruman91]

looks like my sisters are having the time of their life with pru and the NL's........such good people....they really really are...............

 

[LocalChief505]

I have asked this poster and the moderator repeatedly to please stop the unnecessary and over sexualized posts of women on this college recruiting website. It only enforces the toxic male culture that makes female fans feel uncomfortable and objectified on Loyalty. So, if you can’t beat them… let’s see how these fly. Unnecessary? Absolutely. Inappropriate? You bet. I’ll also be curious to see how fast these/I get banned versus the female photos left alone. Be better.

Dont forget to clear your search history.

 

[nichi]

Who will determine what is offensive? We can't seem to be able to agree on that in this thread. Which 'hate' groups? Is Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence a hate group? What about Moms For Liberty? SPLC has identified nearly a thousand in the US. Then, of course, others identify the SPLC as a hate group.

Can we all agree that the IU, scUM, I.O.W.A., and Mizzourah boosters amount to hate groups?

 

[drsmitty74]

Enough politics discussions please. We all hear enough vitriol in our every day lives, we dont need it here.

Pru, post what you want.

LadyLoyalty, post what you want.

If either posts anything I find offensive then I will choose to ignore or keep scrolling.

There is plenty to be upset about these days, and more deserved than a post or two, or three, on a forum where we all share a common bond.

ILL!

 

[IlliniGman7795]

Isn't there an NIL thread, where 90% of these posts should have been? Good grief. Guy works a 12 hr shift and just wants to come home and maybe see some new recruiting info or watch a clip from practice or from a potential recruit and has to sift through this garbage. Don't care if it's only 10 posts. I get that it's the off season and people are just posting to be posting and arguing and bickering. Take it to another thread please.

 

[Second place is 1st loser]

I don't understand why you are trying to regulate what everyone else sees, approves, or disapproves of on this forum.

Every user has the ability to ignore any poster that they chose to, for whatever reason that they choose. Why do you choose to continue to view these posts that you deem offending, or personally violating, or whatever, and not click the ignore button?

These posts are clearly not outside of the realm of what liberalism, and tolerance would/should accept (or ignore), in my opinion.

To be fair, I do think that people have gotten banned for discussion, when that discussion still relates to basketball.... especially the in-game threads. Some people go completely off the rails and are out of line because they're heated.

The rules of this board, which I appreciate, are very clear and concise. Dan does a great job of keeping discussion on point and on topic and if you don't, people get put in the penalty box.

This is a private forum. The rules of the moderator are the law. Per the guidelines, Pru's posts break those rules. Hard to ban someone for wanting a player benched or going after the coach, when you're not banning someone for bikini shots.

Personally, I enjoy Pru's commentary because it brings levity to a frustrated fanbase, as relates to recruiting. That said, I can also understand where someone might be offended and want the rules enforced.

Anyway, moving on. Listened to Werner and Piper(highly suggested). Seems like we're done and the 23/24 roster is set.

 

[WyattEarp]

Really? That's a fascinating bit of history. I know they used to teach classes, so it wouldn't surprise me if you go back further they were students. Makes me wonder what the current crop of coaches would be teaching. Would you take a sales class from Self?

Yes, most definitely. But if he’s teaching Ethics 101, I’m probably gonna pass.

If he taught a Philosophy of Basketball type class I’d definitely be there for that.

 

[pruman91]

Enough politics discussions please. We all hear enough vitriol in our every day lives, we dont need it here.

Pru, post what you want.

LadyLoyalty, post what you want.

If either posts anything I find offensive then I will choose to ignore or keep scrolling.

There is plenty to be upset about these days, and more deserved than a post or two, or three, on a forum where we all share a common bond.

ILL!

INI...........................

 

[Illini in Italy]

Idk if this needs to necessarily be a free speech thing — If someone came on here with a bunch of posts about Duke Basketball, they’d get removed. Same for, like, Indiana volleyball. Why? That’s irrelevant to the discussion here.

I’m cool with removing random gifs of ladies in bikinis. I’m also cool with removing cottage cheese posts… can we just talk about basketball?

The long answer?

No.

 

[EthanM]

This is a slippery slope. Literally everything ever said or posted on the internet can be claimed untrue or offensive to someone. I have a better idea: If you don't like something you see on the internet, you can ignore it.

It is, but so was the lack of regulation that has gotten us to this point. There’s a difference between ignorance and malice and that’s where it becomes a problem. Stop normalizing and allowing hate and encourage education and don’t allow people to hide behind internet anonymity. We all have political differences but we should hold people who can influence others to a higher standard.

 

[Scoregasm]

 

[Illini in Italy]

Without any judgement on the bikini posts: This is faulty logic.

Most people take the path of least resistance most of the time. It doesn't not mean they agree with it. It means they don't think it is worth the hassle to do otherwise. Companies use this to great effect. E.g. Google paying Apple Billions to be the default search engine on Apple products. People use this every day. When asking a question, they shift the burden of proof to make it less likely that others, who may object, will step forward. E.g. "Can anyone give reasons to not do X" vs. "Can anyone give reasons to do X". It makes a huge difference in how the meetings flow.

Not removing the bikini posts has until now been the path of least resistance. I don't know if this thread will change that.

Noted.

 

[Illini in Italy]

There are problems with your argument. Words that are offensive to one person are almost always going to be offensive to a larger group, and due to inequality that group may not have the opportunity or freedom to speak up and defend themselves, nor should they just have to walk away from an offensive person in the way you speak.

The “greatest challenge facing our nation” isn’t offending one person, it’s that people feel entitled to spew hate and expect to hide behind the 1st Amendment. The framers of the Constitution had no way to anticipate current technology so there’s no way they could have anticipated that it would be possible for one person to say hateful and offensive things on platforms that would reach millions.

This is my unpopular opinion, but the 1st Amendment should be repealed and revised to account for the internet and social media. It should be illegal to post or display offensive or untrue statements in public or on the internet. Anything even resembling support for hate groups should be banned from public unless it’s in a museum and contextualized. Allowing this to go on as long as it has is no different than letting someone yell fire in public or make bomb threats, only its been going on for the last 150 years.

All you have to do is look at the incredibly offensive statements in the last week made by a washed up TV star calling for the genocide of 6 million Jews. The system is broken. Fix it.

Noted.

 

[Govoner Vaugn Fan]

Who will determine what is offensive? We can't seem to be able to agree on that in this thread. Which 'hate' groups? Is Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence a hate group? What about Moms For Liberty? SPLC has identified nearly a thousand in the US. Then, of course, others identify the SPLC as a hate group.

I don't hate nor am offended by anyone's post, so long as they stay off my lawn.

 

[FI_8905]

Basketball related.

 

[Illini in Italy]

There are problems with your argument. Words that are offensive to one person are almost always going to be offensive to a larger group, and due to inequality that group may not have the opportunity or freedom to speak up and defend themselves, nor should they just have to walk away from an offensive person in the way you speak.

The “greatest challenge facing our nation” isn’t offending one person, it’s that people feel entitled to spew hate and expect to hide behind the 1st Amendment. The framers of the Constitution had no way to anticipate current technology so there’s no way they could have anticipated that it would be possible for one person to say hateful and offensive things on platforms that would reach millions.

This is my unpopular opinion, but the 1st Amendment should be repealed and revised to account for the internet and social media. It should be illegal to post or display offensive or untrue statements in public or on the internet. Anything even resembling support for hate groups should be banned from public unless it’s in a museum and contextualized. Allowing this to go on as long as it has is no different than letting someone yell fire in public or make bomb threats, only its been going on for the last 150 years.

All you have to do is look at the incredibly offensive statements in the last week made by a washed up TV star calling for the genocide of 6 million Jews. The system is broken. Fix it.

Everypne wants to be the victim today . . . . The entire meaning behind the 1st Amendment is that we should have the freedom to speak our opinion without fear . . . It might not be popular and it might offend some, but you are free to speak it.

 

[Big Jack]

I have asked this poster and the moderator repeatedly to please stop the unnecessary and over sexualized posts of women on this college recruiting website. It only enforces the toxic male culture that makes female fans feel uncomfortable and objectified on Loyalty. So, if you can’t beat them… let’s see how these fly. Unnecessary? Absolutely. Inappropriate? You bet. I’ll also be curious to see how fast these/I get banned versus the female photos left alone. Be better.

Seriously? We don't care what pics/gifs you post. It is a free world and we each have the right to say or post what we want to. If you don't like what some one posts then hit the ignore button and move on. Its that simple. We are all just here to chill and enjoy Illinois sports.

 

[Illini in Italy]

Everypne wants to be the victim today . . . . The entire meaning behind the 1st Amendment is that we should have the freedom to speak our opinion without fear . . . It might not be popular and it might offend some, but you are free to speak it.

And I'll add, I spent 23 years in uniform to defend your right to speak it, even if I didn't agree with it.

 

[FI_8905]

History tells us who the dangerous people are. (it's not those who like women in bikinis).

But I digress....does Illinois have a point guard yet?

 

[mysterio2525]

Can any of the ripped dudes or girls in bikinis play pg for us next year? The real question

 

[pruman91]

And I'll add, I spent 23 years in uniform to defend your right to speak it, even if I didn't agree with it.

Elementary Mr. Walken..........Elementary........it really really is................................Thanks for your service , bro...........