I just want us to be absurdly tall with tremendous skill levels and a couple guys with elite athleticism again.
Is that too much to ask?
Is that too much to ask?
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He wants Tyler to post under one of his loyalty pseudonyms
TheDukeUIUC
- Twin Cities, MN
Reminder that Buck shot a better % from 3 than Epps did last year. Let's not pretend he's starting from nowhere.
band camp
- STL City
Epps is the comparison for your argument?
My apologies
Im just saying that he has spent all last summer and this whole year working on his game and body. Write him off if you will offensively, im not gonna do that. I think he can and will show big improvements. I-L-L
Can Ty do it? Sure but is he someone we want to be the key to inicaite our offense? I dont think so. He is a below average shooter from the line and taking any shots besides lay ups or short jump hooks. Its good to have that option vs lopsided match ups but we need that as an option like Ty is now not in the role like Domask. Ty's shooting is far too limited.
mhuml32
- Cincinnati, OH
Indiana Basketball Five Stars in Recent History:
Bryson Tucker - 2024 (TBD)
Mackenzie Mgbako - 2023 (shot below 40%, worst defender on IU based on DRtg)
Jalen Hood-Schifino - 2022 (finished really strong but shot 41%, Te'Jon Lucas put up higher offensive rating scores every year than JHS)
Tamar Bates - 2021 (made two starts across two seasons at Indiana, transferred to Mizzou)
Khristian Lander - 2020 (never started at Indiana, transferred to Western Kentucky)
TheDukeUIUC
- Twin Cities, MN
Okay, how's this:
Player A: 9-35 (25.7%) from 3 as a freshman
Player B: 13-41 (31.7) from 3 as a freshman
Player A: TSJ
Player B: Buck
There's literally no reason to give the kid no hope for improving his shot. It just takes work, which he took a whole season off to put in the time.
skyIdub
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Currently.......
Illinicpa14
- Chicago
I think you can both not write him off at improving while also acknowledging that the expectation should not be that he becomes TSJ. I think what most posters are saying is we’re probably in trouble if the success of next years team hinges on Buck making TSJ/Ayo improvements.
To me, a good realistic comparison on improvement on the shooting would be D’monte. He made himself into a respectable shooter when open. If Buck can make that they have to acknowledge the shot, it can open up a lot more of his game and space the floor. You see this year how great the offense can be when we typically play at most 1 non-shooter and that non-shooter (Dain/Ty) have very defined roles for that part of the offense.
His FT shooting improved from awful to below average. He has yet to ever attempt a 3 pt shot and really any shot outside 10 feet. I think he can get better but all this talk about him ever being a shooter is based on what? He hasn't even taken a shot and there is a reason for that don't you think? I dont expect him to start shoot mid range and three pointers maybe you guys do. I just don't know why when he hasnt even attempted one.
skyIdub
Winged Warrior
So you think he'll just play four full years without shooting? Do you not remember DMFW?
Open your mind a little!
IFKYK
Joel Goodson
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No posters are saying Harris is gonna make Ayo/White improvements. Zero.
One poster stated that Harris (at 21) is pretty much done with significant improvement.
But go ahead and run with it
Joel Goodson
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yeah, it's not going to be a carbon copy of Domask's version. but that hardly means Ty won't be proficient at it
He was merely comparing the 3 point percentage, not their games as a whole. Being that the first part of what you said was his only point, I think you guys agree.
In response to the comments regarding next years team, how is Coleman Hawkins not even mentioned? He is extremely likely to go undrafted. Illinois can easily match what he would make elsewhere. He would be very valuable to Illinois next year. I’d say Hawkins being back next year is more likely than not.
And for those saying he is a first rounder. He is not. But he could come back and be one of the most valuable players in college basketball and improve his game and attempt to become a first rounder like TSJ did this year.
And for those saying he is a first rounder. He is not. But he could come back and be one of the most valuable players in college basketball and improve his game and attempt to become a first rounder like TSJ did this year.
skyIdub
Winged Warrior
CoHawk will get several looks in the 2nd round and then UDFA. It's a weak draft. I say he's 85% likely gone.
If he keeps that great attitude and continues to work hard, I think he'll have a shot.
Having typed that, if he's not starting, then that means this staff portaled very well.
Then make him a sixth-man type.
I think Hansberry can very effective next year. If he stays, he's going to work his tail off and be a pleasant surprise.
Buck wasn't a good shooter but he wasn't Ty. He had an alright shooting form to work with.
Considering his baseline 3% doesn’t suck, taking an entire year off to improve his game while also having turned in some of the best, game altering defensive performances I’ve ever seen from a freshman, I’m not sure why so many are so quick to discount him. I sure wish he was suiting up today…
1m4tr
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I also seem to remember him getting to the rim a decent amount. Now he didnt finish well as a freshman but the scorer’s mentality was there. If he shot 32% from 3 as an unpolished freshman, if he could up that to just 36%, you wouldn’t be able to keep him off the court w his elite defense.
Ryllini
- Lombard
I want to see Ty and an indefensible floater. Similar to what Mark Jackson used to do with the Pacers. It was either a floater or a lob to Dale Davis or Antonio Davis. At 6'6 and those crazy long arms, no one is getting it. But wait there's more, his post moves are still elite, just needs to finish.
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Great. Who do we want?
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