Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread

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lstewart53x3
skyIdub said:
Come on dude. This is just....come on. He won't get to 1/4 of what Coach K accomplished. Not a snowballs chance in Phoenix in July.
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You really don’t think so?

Coach K made 13 final fours in 42 years. That’s one final four every 3.2 years. Jon has coached at Duke for 4 years and has one final four (nearly two, of course). He’s 38 years old. Coach K retired at 75. If Jon retired at the same age, that would be 41 years of coaching. Could Jon not get to 3 more fours in the next 36 years? He’s made the E8 or better the past 3 years in a row with a final KenPom rating of 7, 1, and 3.
 
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BryceHopkins
lstewart53x3 said:
You really don’t think so?

Coach K made 13 final fours in 42 years. That’s one final four every 3.2 years. Jon has coached at Duke for 4 years and has one final four (nearly two, of course). He’s 38 years old. Coach K retired at 75. If Jon retired at the same age, that would be 41 years of coaching. Could Jon not get to 3 more fours in the next 36 years? He’s made the E8 or better the past 3 years in a row with a final KenPom rating of 7, 1, and 3.
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#507      
ImGonnaBeILL
lstewart53x3 said:
You really don’t think so?

Coach K made 13 final fours in 42 years. That’s one final four every 3.2 years. Jon has coached at Duke for 4 years and has one final four (nearly two, of course). He’s 38 years old. Coach K retired at 75. If Jon retired at the same age, that would be 41 years of coaching. Could Jon not get to 3 more fours in the next 36 years? He’s made the E8 or better the past 3 years in a row with a final KenPom rating of 7, 1, and 3.
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Definitely think it's possible with JS should he want to coach and coach in the college game that long.

Think you hit most all the talking points. Not unreasonable to think IMO JS can have similar career win % as Coach K (believe he stands right now with 1/2% higher than Coach K)
 
#508      
Brosky
bbpeoria said:
If he improves his outside shot just a little bit and sees the floor a bit better, it is not hard to envision him as a 1st round pick next season. He is a good athlete, fantastic driver/create own shot, and a plus defender already.
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I agree with all of this. He knocked down a decent number of threes, but always seemed hesitant to launch one even when he had an open look. Tentative I guess you would say. If he can gain confidence in that shot and be bold about putting it up, he could be a complete player.
 
#509      
Brosky
Just watched Kitt highlights; I think we're gonna love this guy. He needs to get bigger and stronger, but for a player so young, that's to be expected. He may even grow another inch or two. He can score at all three levels and seemed to be an unselfish player; made some superb passes to teammates.
 
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jamarvelous31
lstewart53x3 said:
You really don’t think so?

Coach K made 13 final fours in 42 years. That’s one final four every 3.2 years. Jon has coached at Duke for 4 years and has one final four (nearly two, of course). He’s 38 years old. Coach K retired at 75. If Jon retired at the same age, that would be 41 years of coaching. Could Jon not get to 3 more fours in the next 36 years? He’s made the E8 or better the past 3 years in a row with a final KenPom rating of 7, 1, and 3.
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I think there's going to be an ever hotter seat if he's not in the championship game this year or next. Elite resources come with elite demands.

Also considering he's already making googly eyes at the NBA it seems unlikely that he will stay that long if he wins a title.
 
#512      
RockfordIllini
This year will be a good litmus test for Scheyer’s coaching chops. If he hasn’t had a transcendent level prospect like Flagg/Knueppel or Boozer, he’s merely been okay, finishing top 3-4 in a really watered down ACC.

I haven’t followed high school recruiting too closely but my understanding is this years class is substantially weaker than last year’s class. And the fact that Duke went out and got Blackwell seems to suggest they don’t think they have a Cooper Flagg in their incoming frosh.

If he turns this team into a super team I will be on notice, until then I’m skeptical.
 
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ChiefGritty
lstewart53x3 said:
You really don’t think so?

Coach K made 13 final fours in 42 years. That’s one final four every 3.2 years. Jon has coached at Duke for 4 years and has one final four (nearly two, of course). He’s 38 years old. Coach K retired at 75. If Jon retired at the same age, that would be 41 years of coaching. Could Jon not get to 3 more fours in the next 36 years? He’s made the E8 or better the past 3 years in a row with a final KenPom rating of 7, 1, and 3.
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I think what Scheyer will struggle to replicate, for a variety of reasons, is the iconic all-timer nature of Coach K's 91-92 and 2001 teams. I don't know if the sport mints legends that way anymore.

He's doing an unusually good job at the impossible college sports task of replacing a legend though, I'll say that. They will be right in the mix again next year.

We should push for a home-and-home with them, I bet Scheyer would be into it, and we've had some great battles over the years in the dearly departed B1G-ACC Challenge.
 
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OB positive
lstewart53x3 said:
You really don’t think so?

Coach K made 13 final fours in 42 years. That’s one final four every 3.2 years. Jon has coached at Duke for 4 years and has one final four (nearly two, of course). He’s 38 years old. Coach K retired at 75. If Jon retired at the same age, that would be 41 years of coaching. Could Jon not get to 3 more fours in the next 36 years? He’s made the E8 or better the past 3 years in a row with a final KenPom rating of 7, 1, and 3.
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No comparison. I hate Duke but have to admit coach K is one of the best coaches ever. He built that program and system from the ground up and turned Duke into a machine that you could never count out of the national championship. Scheyer was just handed the keys and given the instructions on how to maintain this well oiled machine. All he has to do is keep it running. Biggest challenge for him has been keeping the top players coming there which he has done. Also an after affect from coach K and the reputation he built at Duke.
 
#518      
wncillini
ChiefGritty said:
I think what Scheyer will struggle to replicate, for a variety of reasons, is the iconic all-timer nature of Coach K's 91-92 and 2001 teams. I don't know if the sport mints legends that way anymore.

He's doing an unusually good job at the impossible college sports task of replacing a legend though, I'll say that. They will be right in the mix again next year.

We should push for a home-and-home with them, I bet Scheyer would be into it, and we've had some great battles over the years in the dearly departed B1G-ACC Challenge.
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We are undefeated at their place. No need to ruin a good thing. Home and homes seem to be fading away anyway. Just don't send us back to MSG.
 
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spotter
lstewart53x3 said:
You really don’t think so?

Coach K made 13 final fours in 42 years. That’s one final four every 3.2 years. Jon has coached at Duke for 4 years and has one final four (nearly two, of course). He’s 38 years old. Coach K retired at 75. If Jon retired at the same age, that would be 41 years of coaching. Could Jon not get to 3 more fours in the next 36 years? He’s made the E8 or better the past 3 years in a row with a final KenPom rating of 7, 1, and 3.
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I just did personal math. If that scenario plays out, I will be 90 in 36 years. I might not be alive anymore. In 36 years. I need to take a Geritol and lay down.
 
#520      
Emerson Bigguns
jamarvelous31 said:
It really is.

It was already an elite brand with elite infrastructure and a top 3 national budget.

So 15 future NBA players (including 4 top 5 picks) & his choice of transfers came with a LOT of help to acquire.

The ACC is middling at best and it's wild that with all that talent & those advantages he can't even get 4th place.
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In regard to the ACC they have won both the regular season and Conference Tournaments in back to back years. So while the ACC is a middling power 5 conference, they have taken care of business there.

The draft picks are great, but most of them were "one and done". We are seeing more and more that experience matters in March. Teams built around freshman Alphas are not getting it done.

The last team to win a National Championship whose best player was a freshman was Duke in 2015.

I assume that's a big reason why they prioritized Blackwell. Having the most NBA talent doesn't win championships. Having the best college basketball players does.
 
#521      
illiniguy24
Emerson Bigguns said:
In regard to the ACC they have won both the regular season and Conference Tournaments in back to back years. So while the ACC is a middling power 5 conference, they have taken care of business there.

The draft picks are great, but most of them were "one and done". We are seeing more and more that experience matters in March. Teams built around freshman Alphas are not getting it done.

The last team to win a National Championship whose best player was a freshman was Duke in 2015.

I assume that's a big reason why they prioritized Blackwell. Having the most NBA talent doesn't win championships. Having the best college basketball players does.
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Yep, see BYU of this year as a good example

However, Duke usually has some kids that stick around. Without doing research I’d argue they usually have some vets on the team each year.

Your point still stands though
 
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therealmiket86
lstewart53x3 said:
You really don’t think so?

Coach K made 13 final fours in 42 years. That’s one final four every 3.2 years. Jon has coached at Duke for 4 years and has one final four (nearly two, of course). He’s 38 years old. Coach K retired at 75. If Jon retired at the same age, that would be 41 years of coaching. Could Jon not get to 3 more fours in the next 36 years? He’s made the E8 or better the past 3 years in a row with a final KenPom rating of 7, 1, and 3.
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I think he will be in the nba very soon
 
#523      
jamarvelous31
Emerson Bigguns said:
In regard to the ACC they have won both the regular season and Conference Tournaments in back to back years. So while the ACC is a middling power 5 conference, they have taken care of business there.

The draft picks are great, but most of them were "one and done". We are seeing more and more that experience matters in March. Teams built around freshman Alphas are not getting it done.

The last team to win a National Championship whose best player was a freshman was Duke in 2015.

I assume that's a big reason why they prioritized Blackwell. Having the most NBA talent doesn't win championships. Having the best college basketball players does.
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That's kind of like saying Gonzaga has taken care of business. They have, but it's not the same accomplishment it was when the ACC was THE basketball conference.

No one made him focus on highschoolers, particularly in an era where they were 18 year olds going against 24 year olds. He could see the data and it's pretty obvious that he has a blank checkbook with his first choice of players regardless of entry type. He had Coward committed last year until he declared. So there's some pivot, but Blackwell is not as good as Coward and the team definitely has less star power in 26.

Scheyer has been outcoached by Hurley and Sampson, so it's not like he's getting clowned or a failure, I just think given the resource that seat starts to get hot if we're not talking about Duke in the championship game this time next year.
 
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