Illinois Hoops Recruiting Thread

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That's kind of like saying Gonzaga has taken care of business. They have, but it's not the same accomplishment it was when the ACC was THE basketball conference.

No one made him focus on highschoolers, particularly in an era where they were 18 year olds going against 24 year olds. He could see the data and it's pretty obvious that he has a blank checkbook with his first choice of players regardless of entry type. He had Coward committed last year until he declared. So there's some pivot, but Blackwell is not as good as Coward and the team definitely has less star power in 26.

Scheyer has been outcoached by Hurley and Sampson, so it's not like he's getting clowned or a failure, I just think given the resource that seat starts to get hot if we're not talking about Duke in the championship game this time next year.
I won't speculate on how hot his seat might be at the current rate (meaning usually top 3 in final KenPom but losing in the E8 or F4) since seat hotness can be driven by the mob, and NCAAT results matter more than I think is fair. Though maybe if his teams keep blowing leads in spectacular fashion in the NCAAT a hot seat would be more reasonable.

But it isn't as though anyone could be handed the keys and do as well as he has. Spanning the time since he took over, they're #2 in Torvik compared to #14 KU, #19 UCLA, #21 UK, #22 UNC, #41 Indiana. Looking just at NCAAT games over that span, they're #5 compared to #1 UConn, #15 UCLA, #26 UNC, #42 UK, #43 KU, #59 Indiana.

Unless they can get Hurley himself (or there's some regression), I think it would be playing with fire to make his seat hot.
 
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#532      
I won't speculate on how hot his seat might be at the current rate (meaning usually top 3 in final KenPom but losing in the E8 or F4) since seat hotness can be driven by the mob, and NCAAT results matter more than I think is fair. Though maybe if his teams keep blowing leads in spectacular fashion in the NCAAT a hot seat would be more reasonable.

But it isn't as though anyone could be handed the keys and do as well as he has. Spanning the time since he took over, they're #2 in Torvik compared to #14 KU, #19 UCLA, #21 UK, #22 UNC, #41 Indiana. Looking just at NCAAT games over that span, they're #5 compared to #1 UConn, #15 UCLA, #26 UNC, #42 UK, #43 KU, #59 Indiana.

Unless they can get Hurley himself (or there's some regression), I think it would be playing with fire to make his seat hot.
If you're Duke, all you have to do to talk yourself into staying the course is glance over at UNC or UK and see how possible it is to swing and miss in a coaching search even with the blueblood pedigree and the resources.
 
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I won't speculate on how hot his seat might be at the current rate (meaning usually top 3 in final KenPom but losing in the E8 or F4) since seat hotness can be driven by the mob, and NCAAT results matter more than I think is fair. Though maybe if his teams keep blowing leads in spectacular fashion in the NCAAT a hot seat would be more reasonable.

But it isn't as though anyone could be handed the keys and do as well as he has. Spanning the time since he took over, they're #2 in Torvik compared to #14 KU, #19 UCLA, #21 UK, #22 UNC, #41 Indiana. Looking just at NCAAT games over that span, they're #5 compared to #1 UConn, #15 UCLA, #26 UNC, #42 UK, #43 KU, #59 Indiana.

Unless they can get Hurley himself (or there's some regression), I think it would be playing with fire to make his seat hot.
Let's all agree to stop including IU in this category. That program is the furthest thing from college basketball royalty in modern day.
 
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Let's all agree to stop including IU in this category. That program is the furthest thing from college basketball royalty in modern day.

Yes, what is the amount of time needed to be removed from the Blue Blood category? Even UCLA is pushing it, but at least they've been to a Final Four in recent memory. IU has done nothing.
 
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Jon Scheyer, who is tied for the best W-L % in mens' college basketball HISTORY (Mark Few) right now, being on any hot seat is certainly a take.
The Duke fans I know hate him and don't think he can coach, fyi. If they are saying that and there is enough big money with the same thoughts, then it is possible.
 
#539      
I won't speculate on how hot his seat might be at the current rate (meaning usually top 3 in final KenPom but losing in the E8 or F4) since seat hotness can be driven by the mob, and NCAAT results matter more than I think is fair. Though maybe if his teams keep blowing leads in spectacular fashion in the NCAAT a hot seat would be more reasonable.

But it isn't as though anyone could be handed the keys and do as well as he has. Spanning the time since he took over, they're #2 in Torvik compared to #14 KU, #19 UCLA, #21 UK, #22 UNC, #41 Indiana. Looking just at NCAAT games over that span, they're #5 compared to #1 UConn, #15 UCLA, #26 UNC, #42 UK, #43 KU, #59 Indiana.

Unless they can get Hurley himself (or there's some regression), I think it would be playing with fire to make his seat hot.
Completely agree that fanbases (and administrators) are dumb and Duke is just as likely to end up with a Pope as a Hurley.

I don't think that will stop them from rabble rousing if JS makes it to year 5 without a championship game appearance.

(Completely unrelated and relevant to point 1...IU and UCLA have been replaced by Zona, UConn and arguably FL are more apt if we're talking about blue bloods)
 
#540      
OR, because we'd be playing 4 vs 5 offensively, it would not be a net positive. The last time he did play for us, he didn't bother even looking at the rim from more than 10 feet out. Purdue didn't even bother guarding him. Running what we're running....he couldn't be on the floor.
Is Ty really still that bad on offense? I’m genuinely curious (especially what the insiders have to say re: practice). It’s been two years since we’ve seen him in game. I recall Mirk (near end of the season) lamenting being matched up in a shooting drill with Ty and two others (maybe Davis, one other). Perhaps it was just the others that were a problem but it caught my attention that he labeled Ty a “good shooter.”
 
#543      
I opened up the board today to see any recruiting news and realized I accidentally ended up on a Duke board. Gross.
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#544      
I think what Scheyer will struggle to replicate, for a variety of reasons, is the iconic all-timer nature of Coach K's 91-92 and 2001 teams. I don't know if the sport mints legends that way anymore.

He's doing an unusually good job at the impossible college sports task of replacing a legend though, I'll say that. They will be right in the mix again next year.

We should push for a home-and-home with them, I bet Scheyer would be into it, and we've had some great battles over the years in the dearly departed B1G-ACC Challenge.
I think UConn just did that in ‘23 and ‘24. Those were “all timers” — dominant teams that had enough carryover to be viewed singularly. Not ‘06/‘07 Florida carryover, but enough of the main rotation stayed imo.
 
#546      
The Duke fans I know hate him and don't think he can coach, fyi. If they are saying that and there is enough big money with the same thoughts, then it is possible.
There were many fans and at least one insider on this board who hated BU and didn't think he could coach as of about a month-and-a-half ago. Fan sentiment and rationality don't always go hand-in-hand.
 
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Is Ty really still that bad on offense? I’m genuinely curious (especially what the insiders have to say re: practice). It’s been two years since we’ve seen him in game. I recall Mirk (near end of the season) lamenting being matched up in a shooting drill with Ty and two others (maybe Davis, one other). Perhaps it was just the others that were a problem but it caught my attention that he labeled Ty a “good shooter.”
Speaking of Ty did he catch on with anybody? I might of missed it
 
#548      
Is Ty really still that bad on offense? I’m genuinely curious (especially what the insiders have to say re: practice). It’s been two years since we’ve seen him in game. I recall Mirk (near end of the season) lamenting being matched up in a shooting drill with Ty and two others (maybe Davis, one other). Perhaps it was just the others that were a problem but it caught my attention that he labeled Ty a “good shooter.”
Is it possible that in a redshirt year, followed by a rehab year, where he has player exactly zero seconds of competition that wasn't closely supervised in practice....that he improved his shooting to the point where he's respectable? I guess that's debatable.

What we know for a fact is that in the two years that he played, he's 0-1 from three and a 52.1% foul shooter.

Would you be able to guarantee him significant minutes in a season where you're all in on getting to a Final Four, bringing back ever major piece of last year's team that isn't a lottery pick or out of eligibility and the offensive philosophy is five out?

If you were BU, could you tell him that he's more than just a role player?

More importantly, if you're Ty, do you want to be a 10 minute per game guy with only two years of eligibility left? Heck no. He wants to play and be a key figure. Given his circumstances, that's probably at a mid major. He's still available as a transfer and isn't considered a high profile one. Once those who entered the draft, then remove their names concludes....what's left will be his options.

He's not in a great spot with regards to a career in basketball. Who's going to pay money for a guy who has those numbers, then has significant injury history and hasn't played in two years?

It sucks for Ty because if he was a 35% shooter before the injury, someone would have taken a chance. There is absolutely no major team that is going to give him guaranteed minutes based on practice video. That includes us.
 
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Speaking of Ty did he catch on with anybody? I might of missed it
He runs the risk of sitting on the bench at another school for way less $$$

JMO - stay at Illinios and be ready. Its a long season typically with more than few injuries and sickness. Depending on chemistry significant playing time could open up ala Keaton and Mirkovic. I am hoping Ty has improved a lot on offense.
 
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