Indiana 96, Illinois 80 POSTGAME

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OrangeKrushCheerMaster

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St. Louis Metro Region
OrangeKrushCheerMaster
Thought I would go ahead and put this into picture form for fans to see. This is beyond atrocious when you see the numbers in front of you.

Losses by 10+ Points in Groce Tenure
Year Opponent Result
2012-2013 #8 Minnesota L-84-67
2012-2013 at Wisconsin L 74-51
2012-2013 Northwestern L 68-54
2012-2013 #2 Michigan L 74-60
2012-2013 at #7 Michigan L 71-58
2012-2013 at #14 OSU L 68-55
2012-2013 BTT #3 Indiana L 80-64
Total = 7

2013-2014 at #4 Wisconsin L 95-70
2013-2014 #4 MSU L 78-62
2013-2014 at IU L 56-46
2013-2014 Wisconsin L 75-63
2013-2014 #12 Michigan L 84-53
Total = 5

2014-2015 NYC vs #7 Villanova L 73-59
2014-2015 at #20 OSU L 77-61
2014-2015 at Nebraska L 53-43
2014-2015 at #5 Wisconsin L 68-49
2014-2015 BTT #9 Michigan L 73-55
2014-2015 NIT at Alabama L 79-58
Total = 6

2015-2016 North Florida L 93-81
2015-2016 Neutral Court - #4 Iowa St L 84-73
2015-2016 Michigan L 78-68
2015-2016 at #5 MSU L 79-54
2015-2016 Nebraska L 78-67
2015-2016 at Indiana L 103-69
2015-2016 #5 Iowa L 77-65
2015-2016 #18 Indiana L 74-47
2015-2016 at #14 Maryland L 81-55
2015-2016 BTT vs #13 Purdue L 89-58
Total = 10

2016-2017 NYC vs #19 West Virginia L 89-57
2016-2017 NYC vs Florida St L 72-61
2016-2017 at Maryland L 84-59
2016-2017 at #25 IU L 96-80
Total as of 1/7/17 = 4

Grand Total as of 1/7/17 = 32
 
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IlliniOllie

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GameOfThrows said:
6) As previously stated, no one had us for a W in this game. We got a really focused and hungry Indiana team coming off of three straight losses.

All in all, we are even par on the season. 10-3 non-conference was to be expected. 1-2 with losses at Maryland and at Indiana also to be expected. These next two home game are huge. I have faith. This team is improving.
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This kind of thing just reinforces the ultimate problem to me. This is entirely Groce's roster (excepting Tracy), with two sixth year guys, two seniors, and plenty of experience elsewhere in his system. We should be much better at this point than just writing off games entirely and expecting losses, especially in a down Big Ten. This should be a year where, if Groce is the guy, we can go into any game expecting at least a chance to win.
 
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MadSeason

MadSeason
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IlliniOllie said:
This kind of thing just reinforces the ultimate problem to me. This is entirely Groce's roster (excepting Tracy), with two sixth year guys, two seniors, and plenty of experience elsewhere in his system. We should be much better at this point than just writing off games entirely and expecting losses, especially in a down Big Ten. This should be a year where, if Groce is the guy, we can go into any game expecting at least a chance to win.
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Good post
 
#79      

illini80

illini80
Forgottonia
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I thought we defended well at times, but we always break down eventually. Mav - wow. His offense has improved tremendously, but he gives up more than he scores. Uncontested shots in the paint. I wish we had a offense based more on ball movement than isolation. I'd guess Indiana averaged double the # of passes per possession that we did. I have no idea where to find that stat if it's kept.

Certainly didn't expect a win and we played with some energy, but I still feel this is a team that cannot defend/beat anyone who is hitting their shots. Until we learn to defend (not gonna happen) I don't see us making the tourney.
 
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bleedsorangenblue

bleedsorangenblue
C-U
bleedsorangenblue
IlliniOllie said:
This kind of thing just reinforces the ultimate problem to me. This is entirely Groce's roster (excepting Tracy), with two sixth year guys, two seniors, and plenty of experience elsewhere in his system. We should be much better at this point than just writing off games entirely and expecting losses, especially in a down Big Ten. This should be a year where, if Groce is the guy, we can go into any game expecting at least a chance to win.
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This is kind of where I am at but also realize we may not have the horses to compete. Whether this is because some of the older guys are not talented enough, weren't developed correctly, or are not in a system that allows them to excel is the question. I think this team will improve to the point of being competitive in the B1G. Whether or not it will happen fast enough is debatable.
 
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westms77

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Gilbert, AZ
westms77
CasualObserver05 said:
Glass is half full -- Scored 80 points on the road after an incredibly slow start.

NO ONE at any point when the schedule was released had this as a W.

We still don't have a loss in the BIG that we aren't supposed to lose.

VERY IMPORTANT to protect home court the next 2 games. Huge 2 game stretch for NCAA chances.
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You are absolutely correct...but I sincerely hope we can at least be within single digits in the second half of some of our road games
 
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MrOizo

MrOizo
Chicago
MrOizo
homesickalien said:
At this point we know who this staff and team is. Best case scenario is get the young guys some tick (Lucas, Kipper, DJW) for the future as this staff is going to be gone. Thorne has been atrocious lately. Mav needs to be starting.

1-Abrams
2-JCL
3-Hill
4-Black
5-Morgan

Lucas, Finke, Kipper, DJW, and a little of Thorne.
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This seems utterly obvious.
 
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radiodj

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Houston
radiodj
This game honestly never seemed within reach. When Indiana put their foot on the gas, they were able to score whenever they wanted. The truly sad part, is I don't think that's even a great IU team. They turn the ball over too much and don't play enough defense to be great. Just makes the loss seem that much worse.
 
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CoalCity

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St Paul, MN
CoalCity
IlliniOllie said:
This kind of thing just reinforces the ultimate problem to me. This is entirely Groce's roster (excepting Tracy), with two sixth year guys, two seniors, and plenty of experience elsewhere in his system. We should be much better at this point than just writing off games entirely and expecting losses, especially in a down Big Ten. This should be a year where, if Groce is the guy, we can go into any game expecting at least a chance to win.
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That's a pretty good summary of the situation. :(:mad:
 
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MrOizo

MrOizo
Chicago
MrOizo
jrichisamazing said:
I want to see them more too, but who comes out? Hill will obviously play 35+ minutes. JCL should be playing 30 minutes at the 2. Right now I think the weak link is Finke.
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And Thorne. You can put Finke or Mav at the 5 and run small with one of DJW or Kipper at the 4, can't you? Not always, but I wonder how that would go. I feel like some opponents go small on us...
 
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MrOizo

MrOizo
Chicago
MrOizo
jrichisamazing said:
Everyone keeps saying to play Lucas more, but today really showed the dilemma Groce has at PG. Lucas makes some really good plays that Tate doesn't make, but he also makes some bad plays that Tate doesn't make. Turnovers leading to fast break points, missed FT's, 5 sec call, etc.
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Which do you prefer, and which has upside (since we need to get better)?

Player 1: 0 for 0, FT: 0 for 0, A: 3, TO: 1, S: 0, eff: 2, usg%: 5
Player 2: 2 for 3, FT: 2 for 5, A: 4, TO: 2, S: 1, eff: 6, usg%: 25
 
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jjh22003

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Maricopa, AZ
jjh22003
Just listened to the post game presser. It seems really hard for Groce to give Tejon a compliment. I don't think he likes that everyone wants Tejon to play over Tate and some people even over Tracy. It seems to drive him nuts when a question is asked about how good Tejon played. He had to keep brining up the 2 mistakes that Tejon made and in my opinion downplayed how good he played that they are better when he is out there. I swear Tate could have 13 turnovers and no assists in a game and make a steal at the end to win it and Groce would say nothing about the 13 turnovers and no assists and talk about that's what seniors do is make big plays.
 
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BananaShampoo

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Captain 'Paign
Phoenix, AZ
BananaShampoo
jjh22003 said:
Just listened to the post game presser. It seems really hard for Groce to give Tejon a compliment. I don't think he likes that everyone wants Tejon to play over Tate and some people even over Tracy. It seems to drive him nuts when a question is asked about how good Tejon played. He had to keep brining up the 2 mistakes that Tejon made and in my opinion downplayed how good he played that they are better when he is out there. I swear Tate could have 13 turnovers and no assists in a game and make a steal at the end to win it and Groce would say nothing about the 13 turnovers and no assists and talk about that's what seniors do is make big plays.
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He can be as stubborn as he wants but, hey, it's only his job at stake.
 
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jjh22003

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Maricopa, AZ
jjh22003
MrOizo said:
Which do you prefer, and which has upside (since we need to get better)?

Player 1: 0 for 0, FT: 0 for 0, A: 3, TO: 1, S: 0, eff: 2, usg%: 5
Player 2: 2 for 3, FT: 2 for 5, A: 4, TO: 2, S: 1, eff: 6, usg%: 25
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There is no upside with Tate. Lucas is the future and has a lot of upside. Yes Lucas makes some mistakes but he makes things happen when he his on the court. He's aggressive. Did I mention that he can shoot?
 
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MrOizo

MrOizo
Chicago
MrOizo
jjh22003 said:
Just listened to the post game presser. It seems really hard for Groce to give Tejon a compliment. I don't think he likes that everyone wants Tejon to play over Tate and some people even over Tracy. It seems to drive him nuts when a question is asked about how good Tejon played. He had to keep brining up the 2 mistakes that Tejon made and in my opinion downplayed how good he played that they are better when he is out there. I swear Tate could have 13 turnovers and no assists in a game and make a steal at the end to win it and Groce would say nothing about the 13 turnovers and no assists and talk about that's what seniors do is make big plays.
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This is the stuff that makes me want him gone... I like the guy normally, but the unwillingness to be straight forward and acknowledge things like this are growing more and more unbearable.
 
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blmillini

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Bloomington, IL
blmillini
Fighter of the Nightman said:
This. :tsk:

I know they obviously do ... but sometimes I wonder if the powers that be know just how much we all care and how much this kills us.
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Some people are starting to tune out and if that goes on for an extended period, start not caring. We seem to be starting to move in that direction. Time to mover on.
 
#96      

MrOizo

MrOizo
Chicago
MrOizo
jjh22003 said:
Just listened to the post game presser. It seems really hard for Groce to give Tejon a compliment. I don't think he likes that everyone wants Tejon to play over Tate and some people even over Tracy. It seems to drive him nuts when a question is asked about how good Tejon played. He had to keep brining up the 2 mistakes that Tejon made and in my opinion downplayed how good he played that they are better when he is out there. I swear Tate could have 13 turnovers and no assists in a game and make a steal at the end to win it and Groce would say nothing about the 13 turnovers and no assists and talk about that's what seniors do is make big plays.
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Seniors, coachspeak, toughness, getting better, coachspeak, blah blah. Turn it off and be real for a moment!
 
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Chris Yates

Chris Yates
Recruiting Correspondent
Michigan
Chris Yates
westms77 said:
You are absolutely correct...but I sincerely hope we can at least be within single digits in the second half of some of our road games
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Right! Can we keep this in perspective? Nebraska just went into Bloomington and won. Wisconsin just pretty easily handled Indiana in Bloomington. This is not a great Indiana team. We need to find a couple of league road wins, which at a minimum requires us to be in several road games down the stretch. Can't come out sleepwalking on the road, and we're going to get tough calls (like Malcolm Hill's multiple early fouls) every single time we go on the road. Gotta man up on the road, plain and simple, or we're going to go 0-9 in Big Ten play on the road.
 
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kcib8130

kcib8130
Parts Unknown
kcib8130
OrangeKrushCheerMaster said:
Thought I would go ahead and put this into picture form for fans to see. This is beyond atrocious when you see the numbers in front of you.

Losses by 10+ Points in Groce Tenure
Year Opponent Result
2012-2013 #8 Minnesota L-84-67
2012-2013 at Wisconsin L 74-51
2012-2013 Northwestern L 68-54
2012-2013 #2 Michigan L 74-60
2012-2013 at #7 Michigan L 71-58
2012-2013 at #14 OSU L 68-55
2012-2013 BTT #3 Indiana L 80-64
Total = 7

2013-2014 at #4 Wisconsin L 95-70
2013-2014 #4 MSU L 78-62
2013-2014 at IU L 56-46
2013-2014 Wisconsin L 75-63
2013-2014 #12 Michigan L 84-53
Total = 5

2014-2015 NYC vs #7 Villanova L 73-59
2014-2015 at #20 OSU L 77-61
2014-2015 at Nebraska L 53-43
2014-2015 at #5 Wisconsin L 68-49
2014-2015 BTT #9 Michigan L 73-55
2014-2015 NIT at Alabama L 79-58
Total = 6

2015-2016 North Florida L 93-81
2015-2016 Neutral Court - #4 Iowa St L 84-73
2015-2016 Michigan L 78-68
2015-2016 at #5 MSU L 79-54
2015-2016 Nebraska L 78-67
2015-2016 at Indiana L 103-69
2015-2016 #5 Iowa L 77-65
2015-2016 #18 Indiana L 74-47
2015-2016 at #14 Maryland L 81-55
2015-2016 BTT vs #13 Purdue L 89-58
Total = 10

2016-2017 NYC vs #19 West Virginia L 89-57
2016-2017 NYC vs Florida St L 72-61
2016-2017 at Maryland L 84-59
2016-2017 at #25 IU L 96-80
Total as of 1/7/17 = 4

Grand Total as of 1/7/17 = 32
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While i understand your rationale, this is way overblown. 10 point losses arent blowouts.

This board knows the reality of the situation.
 
#99      

Jkat00

Jkat00
Champaign, IL
Jkat00
Just got back from the game. Something that really bothers me.... we look absolutely terrible pregame. I got to my seats 50 min before tipoff. IU is running offensive drills that are similar to the offense they run and shoot 3s. They shoot game speed jumpers for 10-15 minutes before heading into the locker room. Illinois comes out and it looks like they haven't even stretched yet. They did a nonchalant layup line for about 5 minutes then went to the free for all shoot around. If others were there I'm sure they would back me up on this. This team wasn't ready to play basketball today.

As for the game.. not much to say. If they don't learn how to defend they wont beat good teams. Simple as that.
 
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drew306

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drew306
LurkLongandProsper said:
Whatever your threshold is, we've had a lot of uninspired performances under this regime.
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"a lot" and "uninspired" are both up for individual interpretation. While I agree that our program has no business getting run out of the gym like we were against WVU and Maryland, cherry-picking 10+ point losses is a terrible way of evaluating Groce's overall job performance.