Maryland 92, Illinois 91 OT POSTGAME

#226      
You know you can look at the rules:


Part C is pretty damn clear that you don't know what you are talking about.

Like I said...it is WHEN it is called...not when it happened. Which is what that states.

Foul committed at 9:56
Foul called at 9:54

Clock is stopped at 9:54...not 9:56
 
#227      
Again, if you start and play 10 minutes vs come off the bench and play 30 minutes....it simply doesn't matter. I look at Smith and he looks like a guy who is overwhelmed right now. It would probably benefit him a lot to see the game unfold for a few minutes, then check in.

It's kind of like the guy who wants to hit leadoff. Well, great....but after the 1st inning, who the hell cares who led the game off? Same applies to basketball. Ok, so you start....great. if you're getting subbed out for at the 18 minute mark of the first half, does it matter?

Once 19:59 hits after the jump ball, the allure of starting is over and it's a game of adjustments from there.

You tend to get more plate appearances if you bat at the top of the order.

Also, if you start a basketball game and you are hot more than likely you are not subbed out.
 
#228      
Yeah.....we are not going to be as good as Oklahoma State was last year.

The PG position is the most important position on the floor, and they had one of the very best in all of college basketball. They were more experienced than us, and while perhaps not as talented ON PAPER, the combination of Evans with the experience they had beats what we have.

Oh, and another thing. The Big XII is a run-and-gun conference. Underwood's up tempo, fast-paced offense excels in a conference not known for lock-down defense. The B1G is a different experience altogether. I trust Underwood to figure it out, but this is apples and oranges.

They had six freshman and 7 returnees from a 3-15 big 12 team.
 
#229      
We totally gave away 2 B1G wins, we have to learn how to finish.

I'm not going to sound like a broken record on being thin in the frontcourt and needing to upgrade talent, but rather offer a few thoughts and suggestions:

1) I just love how Damonte plays the game. He is one jumpshot away from being a really complete college player, and even in his jumpshot, he has great form. Probably the most freshman potential on current team.

2) I'd start Frazier and Damonte at PG/SG. We obviously need a little shake-up and it seems that Smith is tentative to start games and get into a flow, often picking up early fouls. Maybe too much emotional pressure.

3) We need Ebo THIS year. Finke has a good shot, but continues to play too soft IMO. Start strong with Black and Ebo to set an aggressive attitude on the boards. Then bring Finke off the bench.

4) Major kudos to AJ, I watched him since HS and my personal opinion was that he needs to develop the mental toughness to assert himself in games. Not just wait to do something good when the ball gets to him, but assert himself, be aggressive, take over. I remember saying that to his dad over PM during his senior year in HS, and Rob responding that this is indeed something that AJ has to figure out himself. It seems he never reached that comfort zone in his first two years under the old staff, yet he is mentally a totally different player this year and getting better, so honest congrats to him.

Agree. Besides being soft Finke's feet are so slow when they back cut. His rotations on D are late too leaving the lane wide open.

Ebo showed a defensive presence last night.

We will need The freshmen to start hitting jump shots for that to work and I think they can.
 
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They had six freshman and 7 returnees from a 3-15 big 12 team.

Forte and Evans were their starting backcourt and Carroll is an NBA caliber player with size. Our backcourt transferred and our top scorer is playing overseas Now, I love the way our team is coming together, but to have your entire backcourt returning(one being an All American), the two starting points for the respective teams isn't equal and to expect an adjustment, on the fly, to project this team to 20 wins and an NCAA birth is unrealistic.

A winning season and a couple of games in the NIT would be a great year given what we had coming back and the amount of minutes freshman are getting.
 
#231      
Great Game. The fight to get back into the game was unbelievable. We have not had that fight in us for years. We took the first two B1G teams to overtime. These are good times, we are on the upswing.
Alstork has arrived.
DaMonte is playing out of his mind and Aaron Jordan... So proud of Aaron Jordan.

Go Illini. I really love this team and style of play. If you aren't having fun watching, divorce your wife.
 
#232      
Haven't read the whole thread, but if anyone is blaming Damonte on that inbounds, you're wrong. He is the last person to blame. Staff should've saved a TO and should've drawn up a better play.

And Damonte did the right thing. With no timeouts and nobody open, just heave it to the furthest person down the court. He through a catch-able ball, Kipper needed to judge it better and at least get a touch on it so the ball wouldn't go back to under our basket.

Agree it is not all on Damonte, but disagree about the pass. If that particular pass is made, it needs to be a high lob. Either Kipper gets it, touches the ball himself or the defense touches it. Either way the clock starts, the ball is 60+feet away with 4.6 seconds left.

That pass was worst case scenario. No touch, clock does not start, Maryland gets ball on own baseline.
 
#233      
Great Game. The fight to get back into the game was unbelievable. We have not had that fight in us for years. We took the first two B1G teams to overtime. These are good times, we are on the upswing.
Alstork has arrived.
DaMonte is playing out of his mind and Aaron Jordan... So proud of Aaron Jordan.

Go Illini. I really love this team and style of play. If you aren't having fun watching, divorce your wife.

You know, last night I was pretty sickened by the mistakes, but this morning, I'm feeling a lot better, because of all the things they did well. The glass isn't quite half full yet, but this is a team that could get over the hump.

Lot to analyze, but I'm going to refrain. Love how Underwood pushed his bench. Guys who want minutes know this coach is for real. Go get em!
 
#234      
I'm not sure what is worse, to simply get blown out and lose a game or to scratch and crawl back from a 22 point deficit, only to have 10 different opportunities to put it away and fail on each and every one. While the latter is definitely more painful, I think you have to say that it's better. Will these guys get better? Absolutely. We are giving significant playing time to many underclassmen who will only get better. I'd even consider AJ to be somewhat of an underclassman since Groce never played him. There is an orange light at the end of this tunnel, folks. Finke and Black are only juniors btw, and probably safe to say that no one is jumping early to go pro.
 
#235      
I do wonder if this game is a bit of a turning point for the team. Maybe it all sort of "clicked"
 
#237      

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Agree it is not all on Damonte, but disagree about the pass. If that particular pass is made, it needs to be a high lob. Either Kipper gets it, touches the ball himself or the defense touches it. Either way the clock starts, the ball is 60+feet away with 4.6 seconds left.

That pass was worst case scenario. No touch, clock does not start, Maryland gets ball on own baseline.

Agreed, the more I think about it, the play was likely not nearly as strategically poor as it looked, but the execution was the worst possible. Would have to see if any other guys were open, but clearly the objective was to throw a jump ball at other end of the court and a thousand scenarios could’ve played out that eroded the clock, or put Kipper in the line. DW simply threw a very bad pass, almost as if he expected KN to run a fade to the post instead of a button hook😜

If anything you have to reinforce to DW that the pass must be under thrown before over thrown and MUST be catchable; perhaps DW was trying to impress Love.
 
#238      
Agreed, the more I think about it, the play was likely not nearly as strategically poor as it looked, but the execution was the worst possible. Would have to see if any other guys were open, but clearly the objective was to throw a jump ball at other end of the court and a thousand scenarios could’ve played out that eroded the clock, or put Kipper in the line. DW simply threw a very bad pass, almost as if he expected KN to run a fade to the post instead of a button hook😜

If anything you have to reinforce to DW that the pass must be under thrown before over thrown and MUST be catchable; perhaps DW was trying to impress Love.

I have never understood why you don't just lob the ball up as high as you can towards the middle of the court in those situations.
 
#239      

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Peoria, IL
1. For how fancy that OOB play looked at setup...can't believe how terrible it ended up being.

2. I think DW thought (I don't even remember who he was throwing it to) would go deep....that makes sense considering 1 you get the ball and fouled, you get the ball and can dribble out clock or make layup, or you throw an interception and the Maryland player has to go 90 feet in 4 seconds.

So I don't really understand why we didn't have a guy going for a hail mary as a "last resort"

3. I think Damonte has a great all around game and high IQ...this situation just didn't work out.

4. BU is sending Mark Smith a message..."I know what you are capable of, but this isn't downstate high school basketball...so you gotta step it up"

5. Props to the team for not packing it in and getting blown out.
 
#240      
Great Game. The fight to get back into the game was unbelievable. We have not had that fight in us for years. We took the first two B1G teams to overtime. These are good times, we are on the upswing.
Alstork has arrived.
DaMonte is playing out of his mind and Aaron Jordan... So proud of Aaron Jordan.

Go Illini. I really love this team and style of play. If you aren't having fun watching, divorce your wife.

Agreed. I had so much fun watching, I think my wife wanted to divorce me. I've never had so much fun watching Illinois lose 2 in a row. We are still figuring it out, and I see better days ahead. :chief:
 
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Body language between coach and players during that presser was interesting. The tough love needs to lead to tough wins...
 
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I don't get this criticism. Monte has been great in pretty much everything he's done so far this year - I don't think Underwood thought twice about "putting him in that spot" and I'd frankly raise an eyebrow if he did. And as noted, he made the heads up play in a less than ideal circumstance.

Agree - also - apparently you can now try to block the pass by jumping out of bounds at the passer - check out Huerter during that pass - he almost lands on DaMonte - we get called if our hands wander across the imaginary baseline - Huerter gets to almost mug DaMonte.
 
#243      

Peoria Illini

Peoria, IL
Yeah.....we are not going to be as good as Oklahoma State was last year.

The PG position is the most important position on the floor, and they had one of the very best in all of college basketball. They were more experienced than us, and while perhaps not as talented ON PAPER, the combination of Evans with the experience they had beats what we have.

Oh, and another thing. The Big XII is a run-and-gun conference. Underwood's up tempo, fast-paced offense excels in a conference not known for lock-down defense. The B1G is a different experience altogether. I trust Underwood to figure it out, but this is apples and oranges.

Last year after 18 games, OSU was 10-8 overall and 0-6 in the conference. Then they started to click. Let's see where the Illini is after 18 games. That would be after our 5th B1G game, and we may very well be 0-5. Next three conf games are at Minny, At Mich and home vs Iowa...
 
#244      

pruman91

Paducah, Ky
I have never understood why you don't just lob the ball up as high as you can towards the middle of the court in those situations.

why not have all 4 of the Illini in the far end of the court and lob it to the crowd....seems like it would have been hard for Maryland to steal and sink a half court shot...

We had it won....and lost....

tremendous comeback but, it still is a loss.....

Mark Smith has a deer in the headlights look for the last 2-3 games....we need him playing with confidence and attacking the rim...as BU said in the post game pressers you can't play with fear...interesting that TJL didn't play any in the OT(unless I'm mistaken)...guess the lob alley pass got him in BU's doghouse, but Trent was great and playing fearless down the stretch...

another game won but lost because of silly mistakes...goal tending should be reviewable......

Turgeon stated in his pressers that nobody in the B1G will make them have TO's like the Illini...said our defense was very impressive along with the SFC atmosphere...signs of us returning to level of the past with teams hating to play us at home....

I have great hopes and expectations of where we will be in January and Feb....
 
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#245      

Captain Bubbles

Fairfield, IL
Watched the majority of the game last night. Heck of a comeback. Just bad plays that Illinois committed on their end, along with the slow start in the first half were the reasons they lost.

I also want to add that I love how this team fights. Their defense in the second half was the best I've seen in years. Overall, I think Underwood is doing a great job. Could've easily been 3-0, yet the growing pains are visible. This team has a lot of good potential.
 
#247      
While Te'jon might be a better player then Trent, his lack of a 3pt is killing us. I get flashes of Chester Frazier sometimes when he is out there.

Te'jon is more of a dribble drive guy and can create offense doing that. He is exceptionally quick and has good court vision. 3-point shooting is not his strength. I wouldn't say his lack of "is killing us." There are 4 other bodies out there who can shoot it, and his defense and his ability to penetrate have given us a shot at victory when others were lacking the leadership and fortitude.

In other words...lay off Te'jon :D
 
#248      
very tough loss BUT I did like how we came roaring back (we were down 19 at halftime after all). Just gotta keep improving.
 
#249      
I said before the season started that I had no idea how many games we would win this season, or if we would make the dance...but if at the end of the season I saw improvement from the team and by February and March we were a team no one really wanted to play and I couldn't wait for the 2018-19 season to start..then it would be a successful season....although it's to early to make that claim I think this team will get better because they don't quit... we have 9-10 guys that can play and there really isn't much of a drop off when BU subs...this is a young team and being inconsistent is going to be a problem at times, but I see improvement....trying to keep the long range goal in mind when we have games like this will be difficult...being patient will pay dividends....lets get a win and build some confidence starting Weds. night