Michigan State 85, Illinois 82 OT Postgame

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Rebounding Dog
Bucktown said:
It was 100% intentional, and should have been a flagrant foul. A player's history should matter in my opinion as well.

He has a tell when he does something like this. He doesn't react at all. The typical reaction if you just 'planted your' foot and another player trips on it and falls right in front of you would be to look at the player falling. Fears purposely ignores it as if he doesn't notice. He has the exact same reaction when he tugs Mirk's arm in overtime.

It is especially noticeable because of his exact opposite reaction when he is trying to draw a foul. He is barely tapped and goes flailing all of the floor.
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I too think it was intentional (because of the player's history). I just think it was borderline enough where it could have gone either way. looks worse from the back and not so much from the front view.

Hell....He should have been suspended for what he pulled in Minnesota....the kick to the nads should have been enough...the flying elbow to the neck was even worse. And I agree with May stepping forward and making his statements.

I am giving the refs a marginal free pass on that play even though I think Fears intended to trip. No free pass for Fears tho!
 
#652      
OrangeBlue98
It’s just time to move on. We all know the conference is too chicken-s*** scared of Izzo to do anything about it. Let’s get these next two.
 
#654      
BalloonsTheElephant
Second place is 1st loser said:
Or rebound the ball, up 1, with 11 seconds to go.

Or not get out rebounded by 10

Or not get outscored 22-0 in transition points

Or not shoot 10 of 36 from three

Or Wagler not going 2-16

Or not have two lane violations.

A lot could have changed the outcome of the game. Always better to look in the mirror before blaming others. Did the refs have something to do with it? Sure. Did we have more than enough ample opportunities to make it meaningless? Absolutely.

Let's move on to Wiscy.
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Fears trips Mirk, they hit an open three because of it. If it's called at the time of the foul, it's now no basket and two free throws and the ball. Let's say we make both free throws and miss a shot. It's now 33-28 not 31-31 and also sets the tone for Fears that he's being held accountable.

We give up the rebound late and the guy hits a three, MSU goes up two. Kohler traveled by dragging his pivot foot at least a couple feet. Imagine that they saw the travel. Now it's our ball up 1 with 11 to go. What's the win probability look like then?

In OT, we are up 2 and Fears runs into his own guy getting a foul called on Tomi, fouling him out. Fears ties the game at the line and we collapse from there. Imagine that's properly a no-call. It's our ball up two with 2 minutes to go.

Sure a missed shooting foul in the first half doesn't probably make a real difference, but these are game-altering mess ups at the worst times with the biggest impact by the officials. We couldn't guard Fears at the end of the game because if we got close to him he was going to the line. Meanwhile Keaton is getting hit every time at the hoop and Mirk is getting thrown to the ground.

So yes, the officials did alter the game multiple times in MSU's favor. Illinois also did not play their best game, maybe their worst game. And yet they forced it into OT. Maybe Keaton goes 6-16 if he is actually allowed to shoot at the rim without being pummeled.
 
#655      
SkyysNotFalling
Second place is 1st loser said:
Or rebound the ball, up 1, with 11 seconds to go.

Or not get out rebounded by 10

Or not get outscored 22-0 in transition points

Or not shoot 10 of 36 from three

Or Wagler not going 2-16

Or not have two lane violations.

A lot could have changed the outcome of the game. Always better to look in the mirror before blaming others. Did the refs have something to do with it? Sure. Did we have more than enough ample opportunities to make it meaningless? Absolutely.

Let's move on to Wiscy.
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When the margins on the floor are razor thin, the refs absolutely can be discussed. They no question changed the outcome.
 
#656      
EmeraldCityIllini
I've never quite understood the "well, we could have done this better, so can't complain about the refs". Yes, we didn't play perfectly, but I'm not sure that warrants a pass for the officials.

That said, throughout regulation, I thought officiating was fine enough - or maybe I should say I've seen worse. The 2 Fears got in OT is abhorrent, though. And it's probably more of a symptom that there are just some players at both the college and NBA level, who everyone seemingly knows they do this nonsense, and yet get the call over and over and over again.
 
#657      
AnnaMay
EmeraldCityIllini said:
I've never quite understood the "well, we could have done this better, so can't complain about the refs". Yes, we didn't play perfectly, but I'm not sure that warrants a pass for the officials.

That said, throughout regulation, I thought officiating was fine enough - or maybe I should say I've seen worse. The 2 Fears got in OT is abhorrent, though. And it's probably more of a symptom that there are just some players at both the college and NBA level, who everyone seemingly knows they do this nonsense, and yet get the call over and over and over again.
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Yeah, Keaton took 8 layup attempts and missed every one of them. Pretty sure a foul could have been called on all of them. With that said, he needs to understand now that when the refs are not giving him any calls he needs to let Andrej cook instead. Andrej had no issues getting to the rim and him and Ben were basically sidelined the 2nd half with Keaton doing Keaton things when the refs were not going to allow it.
 
#658      
Second place is 1st loser
I guess the point is that the margins shouldn't have been that razor thin. If we do ANY of those things even reasonably well, we're dribbling the clock out with no referee involvement. We put the game in a spot where bad calls could effect it. We could have and probably should have won that game by 6+ points or even double digits. We were up 9 with full momentum in the 2nd half and coughed it up.
 
#659      
Second place is 1st loser
Let's call it what it is....a lottery pick plays through contact and finishes at least a couple of those. He definitely has to get stronger when he gets into the trees. He also needs to make better decisions when taking it to the rim. What you saw Saturday was the same thing that Drej was struggling with. He'd dribble drive with nowhere to go, so the misses we never close.

That's the first game without Bos, where we faced a team with great athletes and he was the focal point of the defense. They just ran at him, pushed him away from the basket and he struggled. If Kylan is in the game, it's a simple solution. Play Keaton off the ball, Kylan runs the offense and sets the table. That was the first game where not having him was painfully noticeable.
 
#661      
Second place is 1st loser
I understand the frustration, but we had a chance to blow the doors off of that game when we were up 9 in the 2nd half. We missed WIDE OPEN threes that would have extended it. I think Jake missed two of them. Those are shots he can make getting out of bed in the morning.

It stinks, but the game was there for us to win comfortably and I agree.... that was probably the worst game we played all year. That's on us.

I don't want to dismiss the refs calls, but there were 45 minutes players, over 100 possessions total....cherry picking calls when we should have skated home is an easy way out. I agree with Brad. There were uncharacteristically bad plays by our guys that kept us from sewing up a W.
 
#662      
thefalcon5
From the cheap seats said:
I love it when Keaton does Keaton things. The refs didn’t…but not surprisingly they were big fans of the Fears Flop Show.
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The annoying part is that the first half was perfectly fine. Good reffing all things considered. Frankly my main complaint about reffing is consistency. They were all over the place in the second half and OT.

It can ruin great games. It ruined this game.
 
#663      
HensonHall71
AnnaMay said:
Yeah, Keaton took 8 layup attempts and missed every one of them. Pretty sure a foul could have been called on all of them. With that said, he needs to understand now that when the refs are not giving him any calls he needs to let Andrej cook instead. Andrej had no issues getting to the rim and him and Ben were basically sidelined the 2nd half with Keaton doing Keaton things when the refs were not going to allow it.
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I thought the same thing - they did turn to Mirk and played through him in the second half, but I would have liked to see more Andrej in there. We didn't need for Keaton to score, we could have won without him, but he seemed to force things for the first time all year. If he would have kicked it out on those drives instead of forcing it would have been a much different ballgame. In fairness he probably thought he was getting fouled, but to your point, Keaton needed to stop that and realize the refs aren't going to call it - so kick to an open shooter or let Andrej beat his man instead
 
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Fly Illini Fly!
EmeraldCityIllini said:
I've never quite understood the "well, we could have done this better, so can't complain about the refs". Yes, we didn't play perfectly, but I'm not sure that warrants a pass for the officials.

That said, throughout regulation, I thought officiating was fine enough - or maybe I should say I've seen worse. The 2 Fears got in OT is abhorrent, though. And it's probably more of a symptom that there are just some players at both the college and NBA level, who everyone seemingly knows they do this nonsense, and yet get the call over and over and over again.
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This resulted in a 4pt swing with 1:59 remaining. IL would’ve been up 3 but were instead down 1.

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(p.s. If you look at the broadcast replay, it’s significantly more blatant than in GIF format, and it’s still 100% a foul)

My interpretation would be 1st half, not great. Fouls were IL: 8 and MSU: 4 …. plus the Fears trip wasn’t called. There was one called on Z which was terrible.

I think the first 18 minutes of the second half were probably pretty reasonable.

The last 2 minutes of second half and first 3 minutes of overtime … that five minute stretch …. was a pure disgrace.
 
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Fly Illini Fly!
Fly Illini Fly! said:
This resulted in a 4pt swing with 1:59 remaining. IL would’ve been up 3 but were instead down 1.

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(p.s. If you look at the broadcast replay, it’s significantly more blatant than in GIF format, and it’s still 100% a foul)

My interpretation would be 1st half, not great. Fouls were IL: 8 and MSU: 4 …. plus the Fears trip wasn’t called. There was one called on Z which was terrible.

I think the first 18 minutes of the second half were probably pretty reasonable.

The last 2 minutes of second half and first 3 minutes of overtime … that five minute stretch …. was a pure disgrace.
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Here’s an even better look, I’ve slowed it down as best as I could. Complete hack on the arm.

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Plus you’ve got Coen Carr from the other side with essentially a knee to the mid section.
 
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#666      
WhereDoWeStandWithStorr?
Fly Illini Fly! said:
Here’s an even better look, I’ve slowed it down as best as I could. This dude doesn’t even get a piece of the ball here:

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Plus you’ve got Coen Carr from the other side with essentially a knee to the mid section.
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It was absolutely a foul because they didn’t rule it as a block in the box score. Had he gotten ball, it would’ve been counted as a BLK.
 
#667      
NarrowJ
Fly Illini Fly! said:
This resulted in a 4pt swing with 1:59 remaining. IL would’ve been up 3 but were instead down 1.

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(p.s. If you look at the broadcast replay, it’s significantly more blatant than in GIF format, and it’s still 100% a foul)

My interpretation would be 1st half, not great. Fouls were IL: 8 and MSU: 4 …. plus the Fears trip wasn’t called. There was one called on Z which was terrible.

I think the first 18 minutes of the second half were probably pretty reasonable.

The last 2 minutes of second half and first 3 minutes of overtime … that five minute stretch …. was a pure disgrace.
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Got fouled by both guys... just pick one lol

Mirk got fouled on b2b drives in overtime too... and the phantom Tomi foul that ended his night

If we get just one more call, could be the travel that wasn't called or one of Keaton's drives or the obvious trip or the many pushes/shoves during rebound scrums... we don't even get to OT... every time Fears got in the lane someone would breathe on him and he'd flail to the ground
 
#669      
wc_illini
Fly Illini Fly! said:
Here’s an even better look, I’ve slowed it down as best as I could. Complete hack on the arm.



Plus you’ve got Coen Carr from the other side with essentially a knee to the mid section.
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I actually thought Scott probably got a clean block, though I can't say for sure whether he hits wrist just before ball.
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But before that, Scott swiped across his head, then Carr jumped into his body.
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As for arms getting hacked, Z's certainly was on this rebound attempt with 2:05 left in OT (Scott ultimately came up with it):
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#670      
Point-Illinois
Fly Illini Fly! said:
Here’s an even better look, I’ve slowed it down as best as I could. Complete hack on the arm.

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Plus you’ve got Coen Carr from the other side with essentially a knee to the mid section.
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If I’m being honest, the thing I see most is an open and cutting Andrej that could have gone up for a dunk if Keaton dished the ball.

KW consistently got MSU defenders in the air when he drove. I said it a few times in my game chat with friends but felt the refs weren’t giving Keaton the love he normally got and he couldn’t hit from deep.

It’s hard to know when to stop hunting your shot and KW is usually good at figuring it out, but he didn’t adapt to the way the game was called against MSU.

But that’s okay, live and learn and get better.
 
#671      
wc_illini
NarrowJ said:
Got fouled by both guys... just pick one lol

Mirk got fouled on b2b drives in overtime too... and the phantom Tomi foul that ended his night

If we get just one more call, could be the travel that wasn't called or one of Keaton's drives or the obvious trip or the many pushes/shoves during rebound scrums... we don't even get to OT... every time Fears got in the lane someone would breathe on him and he'd flail to the ground
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The first no-call on Mirk (@4:30 in OT) and the phantom on Tomi were egregious. The second (if you're referring to the one @2:05 in OT) I thought was a reasonable no-call, but that's the play I posted just above where Z got hacked trying to get the rebound
 
#672      
illiniguy24
Second place is 1st loser said:
Or rebound the ball, up 1, with 11 seconds to go.

Or not get out rebounded by 10

Or not get outscored 22-0 in transition points

Or not shoot 10 of 36 from three

Or Wagler not going 2-16

Or not have two lane violations.

A lot could have changed the outcome of the game. Always better to look in the mirror before blaming others. Did the refs have something to do with it? Sure. Did we have more than enough ample opportunities to make it meaningless? Absolutely.

Let's move on to Wiscy.
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That’s the frustrating part - we should’ve won despite not playing our best, and it would’ve been a sweet win because of that
 
#674      
BillyBob1
They stopped the video, but Carr’s arm hit Keaton pretty hard.
 
#675      
BillyBob1
If that had been the thug, there would have been a foul called
 
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