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From The UIUC Site, the total 2023 numbers:

Total Admit Rate is 43.7%

College of Agricultural, Consumer & Environmental Sciences: 56.5%
Division of General Studies: 53.2%
College of Fine & Applied Arts: 49.3%
College of Applied Health Sciences:35.8%
College of Education: 46.8%
College of Liberal Arts & Sciences: 45.5%
College of Media: 43.7%
School of Social Work: 37.4%

Gies College of Business: 24.2%
Grainger College of Engineering: 22.3%
School of Information Sciences: 21.6%

Computer Science: 7.5%
I feel like I heard an urban legend one time that the U of I acceptance rate shows up artificially high because it includes some people who are technically "accepted" but really almost always end up going to UIC or UI-Springfield ... is that correct?? Either way, the over 50% number for Illinois seems crazy to me, even with how much the enrollment has grown in recent years. I remember finally getting in after being waitlisted, and my friends were genuinely shocked I got in as an out-of-state applicant, haha (even though I ended up going elsewhere). I also personally know many people who fully admit they didn't get into Illinois and went to Iowa or Indiana, lol.
 
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Side note, but as someone who attended a big state school for college and got my MBA at a smaller private school, there really is no comparing those types of schools on a fair basis. State schools have like this weird social contract with you where in turn for getting the recognition/status that comes with that diploma (i.e., they are all usually ranked higher than smaller private schools on average, with exceptions for the elite private ones), you are left to fend for yourself, lol. Granted it was for an MBA program and not undergrad, but the support I received at a private school was just in another stratosphere. Even if I wanted to compare strictly undergrad, my sister went to Butler and our college experiences could not have been more different ... two different universes. That is why I think it's funny when someone who went to a private school acts like they got this superior education strictly because it's private OR someone who went to a public school acts superior because their alma mater always ranks higher in things like US News. They're just not comparable, haha.

Anyway, that list is very interesting but not surprising. I feel like if I were a coach like Miller, my list would look similar, and one of the most interesting things to navigate (IMO) would be balancing a school/fan base that is passionate about hoops (e.g., it would kind of suck to be at Ohio State where even their good teams are getting crappy fan support) vs. a school whose expectations are just ridiculous and unrealistic (e.g., Indiana fans unreasonably expect Kansas-esque results and will run you out of town, even though in our modern era no recruit has grown up thinking of IU that way outside of small town Indiana). Personally, this would be my short list if I were some elite coach based on what I understand about the potential, location/recruiting, facilities, money/NIL, fan support, etc.:

- Illinois
- Kansas
- Texas
- Tennessee
- Wisconsin
- Arizona
- Florida
- Villanova
- Oregon
- Miami (FL)

"Great jobs" that I personally wouldn't take include the following...
- Indiana ... Like I said, insane fans. No thanks.
- Maryland ... Historical success similar to Illinois (or even worse depending on the metric), yet it seems their fans are nastier and more entitled.
- Ohio State/Michigan ... I personally think it would be annoying always being second fiddle.
- Michigan State/Duke ... No thanks to following the only coach anyone alive has ever seen have ridiculous success there.
- UCLA ... It literally seems like they have the worst possible combination of fan apathy and yet intense fan expectations, haha.
- Syracuse ... Similar to MSU/Duke with replacing a legend, but I also just think the Carrier Dome is perhaps the ugliest and most overrated arena in the nation, haha.

Jobs that people probably think are good but I maintain are an absolute trap include...
- Purdue ... I will die on this hill, but the success coaches have had at Purdue speaks to their incredible skill, not the job's ceiling. Second fiddle in a medium size state. Also, apparently their NIL is bad.
- Texas A&M ... Should be a sleeping giant, but you'd get the toxic combination of crazy donors AND playing second fiddle.

And lastly some jobs that I probably wouldn't take but are like Illini football in that there is just literally no reason they should be this bad ... and someone will come along to change that within 20 years:
- Georgia ... You heard it here first, Georgia basketball will realize its potential within two decades. They should be at least Tournament level every year based on resources.
- Missouri ... Pains me to say it, but they seem to have a relatively rare combination of good instate recruiting/population AND pretty good instate loyalty to Mizzou.
- Rutgers ... I am sorry, but it is true! The right recruiter at Rutgers can get it going.
Nice work Fighter. Well done.
 
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Would those same type of kids get in at Illinois though? Correct me if I'm wrong, but Illinois is tougher to get into than Michigan, right?

As always, thanks for any info!

Our admissions office makes quite a few exceptions for athletics … I won’t get into specifics but just know exceptions have been made here quite often …

Michigan has a zero tolerance policy (except with FB but that’s a whole other story) … Same with Northwestern … And many others …
 
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The Illinois acceptance rate is highly dependent on which major.
 

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skyIdub

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Our admissions office makes quite a few exceptions for athletics … I won’t get into specifics but just know exceptions have been made here quite often …

Michigan has a zero tolerance policy (except with FB but that’s a whole other story) … Same with Northwestern … And many others …

Lol....I mean, if I was a big money donor and we needed a kid on the fence...I'd walk into admissions so hard. Wait....no...I mean.. Yeah f it. Hard.

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MustangWally

Mayfield
Thanks for these stats. I think it’s easier to get in as a transfer (it sure was for WeWillWhen’s kid, 😂).
My daughter totally bombed out in high school. Managed to get in to community college (they accept anybody). Aced her way through CC.. Illinois took her, no questions asked. Even tried to get her to enroll before she finished her associates degree.
 
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Spent some time this weekend with Sean ... They are really happy in their new house ... Xavier's facilities are INSANE ... Probably top 10 on my list and I have nearly seen them all ...

Xavier is paying him quite a bit ... I won't say how much but it would take a top 25 type of program to get him away ... He has Adam Cohen for now but if he leaves, that could change how interested Sean is in other jobs ...

He named 5 jobs in one of our conversations that would interest him heavily ... Michigan State, Kansas, Illinois, Tennessee, and Kentucky ... A couple more that he might take a phone call from would be Michigan, Oregon, Miami, Gonzaga, and Baylor ...

Michigan would interest him but I think he would probably stay at Xavier over Michigan just because of the kind of kids Sean likes to recruit ... They would not get in at Michigan ... Xavier has graduated every kid that has stayed at Xavier for at least 4 years ... Hasn't mattered who they brought in ... The amount of help those kids get at Xavier is unreal ... You have to actively try not to graduate to walk out of there without a diploma ...
I get his list, except for Miami (probably things I don't know or understand). I don't know if there is any back story I'm unaware of, but I am surprised Pitt wasn't on that list?
 
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Snagged some data below FWIW. If it's credible, the Top 25% at Illinois aren't far off Michigan but in general UM is much more competitive, both on SAT scores and the fact that it has a very strong national brand so heavy nos. of applications and low admission rate.

I do know the figures on the engineering programs, because I checked them a couple years ago when my daughter was looking at schools. They're indistinguishable in terms of student scores. I know two kids of friends in the past five yrs who got dinged by both Illinois and Michigan engineering and computer science programs but got into Purdue. (And attended and loved it.)

I'm so over the college admissions game. Glad it worked out well and I'll never again deal with it.


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Thanks for the info and I agree with you about never having to deal with college admissions again. It was so grueling compared to what I did on my own in 1976. I applied to and was accepted at 3 schools. Selected UI directly into School of Architecture. My daughters decide to apply elsewhere for various reasons. But my son wanted to go to Illinois. We took him (all of them) to FB and BB games since he was born. When we visited to get started with admissions, in the 2008 timeframe, his face lit up like a little kid when we walked on to the Quad. I wasn't half the student he was. But, he was wait-listed with a 4.0+ GPA, 32 ACT, played 2 sports, and worked at a kids summer day camp for 4 years. Since, he really wanted to study Journalism, Missouri was his first backup. And, for good reasons, he decided to go to Missouri. Then, a couple months later he gets the "congratulations" letter from Illinois. He opened the letter and said "F YOU!". I was actually very proud of him. And it has all been great fun now. Him going to UIUC would not have been the same as my UIUC experience anyhow.
 
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Thanks for the info and I agree with you about never having to deal with college admissions again. It was so grueling compared to what I did on my own in 1976. I applied to and was accepted at 3 schools. Selected UI directly into School of Architecture. My daughters decide to apply elsewhere for various reasons. But my son wanted to go to Illinois. We took him (all of them) to FB and BB games since he was born. When we visited to get started with admissions, in the 2008 timeframe, his face lit up like a little kid when we walked on to the Quad. I wasn't half the student he was. But, he was wait-listed with a 4.0+ GPA, 32 ACT, played 2 sports, and worked at a kids summer day camp for 4 years. Since, he really wanted to study Journalism, Missouri was his first backup. And, for good reasons, he decided to go to Missouri. Then, a couple months later he gets the "congratulations" letter from Illinois. He opened the letter and said "F YOU!". I was actually very proud of him. And it has all been great fun now. Him going to UIUC would not have been the same as my UIUC experience anyhow.
UI seems to be out of reach for most good students which is kind of sad to me. I feel like it should be more accessible.
 
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Side note, but as someone who attended a big state school for college and got my MBA at a smaller private school, there really is no comparing those types of schools on a fair basis. State schools have like this weird social contract with you where in turn for getting the recognition/status that comes with that diploma (i.e., they are all usually ranked higher than smaller private schools on average, with exceptions for the elite private ones), you are left to fend for yourself, lol. Granted it was for an MBA program and not undergrad, but the support I received at a private school was just in another stratosphere. Even if I wanted to compare strictly undergrad, my sister went to Butler and our college experiences could not have been more different ... two different universes. That is why I think it's funny when someone who went to a private school acts like they got this superior education strictly because it's private OR someone who went to a public school acts superior because their alma mater always ranks higher in things like US News. They're just not comparable, haha.
While I know it's off topic, this hits close to home as my daughter is choosing between Loyola and UIC (she is dead set on going to school in the city, and doesn't have U of C or Northwestern grades).

Obviously UIC is much less expensive, but the feel we got from Loyola was so much better/personal/supportive than UIC. I actually described what I thought her experiences would be at each school as you did. Glad to hear it from someone that experienced it, and had a family member experience it.
 
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While I know it's off topic, this hits close to home as my daughter is choosing between Loyola and UIC (she is dead set on going to school in the city, and doesn't have U of C or Northwestern grades).

Obviously UIC is much less expensive, but the feel we got from Loyola was so much better/personal/supportive than UIC. I actually described what I thought her experiences would be at each school as you did. Glad to hear it from someone that experienced it, and had a family member experience it.
Yep, I loved both in their own way. However, I must say that looking back a lot of what I loved about the big state school feel had less to do with school and more to do with fun, haha.
 
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While I know it's off topic, this hits close to home as my daughter is choosing between Loyola and UIC (she is dead set on going to school in the city, and doesn't have U of C or Northwestern grades).

Obviously UIC is much less expensive, but the feel we got from Loyola was so much better/personal/supportive than UIC. I actually described what I thought her experiences would be at each school as you did. Glad to hear it from someone that experienced it, and had a family member experience it.
I was in the same boat as your daughter. Really wanted to move to the city after high school and fell in love with the Loyola campus. Chose Loyola over UI and DePaul. (I am going to UI for grad school though and graduate Friday!)

Only went to LUC for a year because it just wasn't financially sustainable for me and my family but I really enjoyed my time there. My graduating class in high school was less than 100 students, and some of my classes at Loyola had fewer students than my high school classes did.

I actually moved back to Rogers Park a few years after finishing undergrad and just moved away after about 8 years living there. The area along the lake where Loyola's campus is located, is a nice little slice of the city.

Good luck to you and your daughter!
 
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altgeld88

Arlington, Virginia
I was in the same boat as your daughter. Really wanted to move to the city after high school and fell in love with the Loyola campus. Chose Loyola over UI and DePaul. (I am going to UI for grad school though and graduate Friday!)

Only went to LUC for a year because it just wasn't financially sustainable for me and my family but I really enjoyed my time there. My graduating class in high school was less than 100 students, and some of my classes at Loyola had fewer students than my high school classes did.

I actually moved back to Rogers Park a few years after finishing undergrad and just moved away after about 8 years living there. The area along the lake where Loyola's campus is located, is a nice little slice of the city.

Good luck to you and your daughter!
Congrats and welcome to the alumni family! :illinois: :alma-mater:
 
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I get his list, except for Miami (probably things I don't know or understand). I don't know if there is any back story I'm unaware of, but I am surprised Pitt wasn't on that list?
Just guessing here, but Miami (FL) seems like a job where you'd get paid quite well, you'd live in literally perfect weather, the NIL would be very good and yet the expectations would be relatively low (even compared to an Illinois/Maryland type spot). Not for everybody, of course - as I mentioned in my post, I personally would get annoyed coaching somewhere where the fan support was lackluster.

(Side note ... that is why I really want to keep our football attendance improving. Bret has spent most of his career coaching in front of 75k+ fans who are passionate.)
 
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Thanks for the info and I agree with you about never having to deal with college admissions again. It was so grueling compared to what I did on my own in 1976. I applied to and was accepted at 3 schools. Selected UI directly into School of Architecture. My daughters decide to apply elsewhere for various reasons. But my son wanted to go to Illinois. We took him (all of them) to FB and BB games since he was born. When we visited to get started with admissions, in the 2008 timeframe, his face lit up like a little kid when we walked on to the Quad. I wasn't half the student he was. But, he was wait-listed with a 4.0+ GPA, 32 ACT, played 2 sports, and worked at a kids summer day camp for 4 years. Since, he really wanted to study Journalism, Missouri was his first backup. And, for good reasons, he decided to go to Missouri. Then, a couple months later he gets the "congratulations" letter from Illinois. He opened the letter and said "F YOU!". I was actually very proud of him. And it has all been great fun now. Him going to UIUC would not have been the same as my UIUC experience anyhow.
Similar experience for me. Did everything on my own in 1976 also. UI was pretty desperate to pump up engineering back then, I didn't apply anywhere else. My daughter wanted to go to UI and was lightly recruited for track/Cross Country. She had very good GPA/ACT but was on wait list. Had to deal with Tom Michael at DIA who told us that he had limited exceptions to use and needed to see how many the different sports/coaches needed. Took a while but she did get in!
 
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I was in the same boat as your daughter. Really wanted to move to the city after high school and fell in love with the Loyola campus. Chose Loyola over UI and DePaul. (I am going to UI for grad school though and graduate Friday!)

Only went to LUC for a year because it just wasn't financially sustainable for me and my family but I really enjoyed my time there. My graduating class in high school was less than 100 students, and some of my classes at Loyola had fewer students than my high school classes did.

I actually moved back to Rogers Park a few years after finishing undergrad and just moved away after about 8 years living there. The area along the lake where Loyola's campus is located, is a nice little slice of the city.

Good luck to you and your daughter!
Thank you very much! I was surprised at how beautiful the Loyola campus is, I had driven by dozens of times but never explored the campus itself. While she is receiving some money from them, it's still a LOT of money for tuition. That said, even UIC, (and living on campus) is crazy expensive for four years.

Congrats on graduating!!!!
 
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