NIL Thread (Name, Image, Likeness Rule)

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BashCtIllini

BashCtIllini
BashCtIllini
bdutts said:
Here's an interesting lawsuit regarding an NIL deal: Bears Rookie Sues
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what an incredibly stupid predatory deal. We'll give you some absurdly specific value now, if you give us 20 times that later.

NIL just gets more and more ridiculous every day. The more colleges move towards a professional payment model, the more they're going to have to move to everything else that comes along with a professional contract.
 
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bdutts

bdutts
Houston, Texas
bdutts
BashCtIllini said:
what an incredibly stupid predatory deal. We'll give you some absurdly specific value now, if you give us 20 times that later.

NIL just gets more and more ridiculous every day. The more colleges move towards a professional payment model, the more they're going to have to move to everything else that comes along with a professional contract.
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Yeah, that's the way it's going.

I am guessing that the player didn't read the contract or didn't have legal representation when he signed it. Just saw the nearly 500K. And honestly, that's not in the spirit of NIL, anyway, at least where NIL started. Will be interesting to see if this suit is settled or if it goes to court.
 
#29      

LGIllini

LGIllini
La Grange, IL
LGIllini
Now that's what I'm talking about. NIL at its finest!

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alaskaillini

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UTIllini said:
Does the Uof I have this in the works?
www.ksl.com

Utah NIL collective gives every football player on scholarship Ram truck

Former Utah linebacker Steven Sylvester delivered the news to the team, announcing that every player on scholarship would be getting their own truck.
www.ksl.com www.ksl.com
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This made me think that If Giorgi were still here, I would have pitched in to help get him a real Lambo (not the 2 wheel version). But then again it was the fact that he got so much joy from a bicycle that made him so special.
 
#32      

chiefini

chiefini
Rockford, Illinois
chiefini
For all of you Illini fans who want five star athletes, not three star, to come to Illinois, we need to be able to pay these players big bucks in NIL money. Joining the ICON Collective is the way to do this properly. Our crew has all donated so we got invited by Kathleen Knight, ICON President and CEO, to an event last evening at the Big Grove Tavern, where Juice Williams came to mingle and talk about how ICON was going to be a tremendous help to student athletes. Kevin Mitchell, Varsity I Director, was also there to say how much ICON would have been great to be a part of when he played. One can pay a one time donation or a monthly donation, from small amounts to large. Fans can join (or ask questions) by emailing Kathleen at KK@ILL-ICON.com or going online at http://iconforillini.com/. Now is the time to put your money where your mouth is and join ICON. Go Illini!

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#35      

Illini in Italy

Illini in Italy
Illini in Italy
Illini IndyCar Fan said:
“Huge news in the House v NCAA case.

The Court granted all 3 damages classes.

NCAA is now facing a potential judgment in the multiple billions of $$.

The case is also seeking to eliminate all #NIL compensation restrictions.”
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1720653676769898526
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Time to shut the NCAA down. Which in turns all of college sports into a swirling pool of fecal matter, rudderless and adrift in the sea of money. NFL and NBA better be on the lookout as to how they are going to manage their new farm systems they will have to pay for . . .
 
#36      

pruman91

pruman91
Paducah, Ky
pruman91
Are we headed to a salary cap on NIL ?????.....................If not , and all restrictions are removed , then what little amateur sports that remain will die and cease to exist..........Probably that way already , if the truth was known.........
 
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doowink

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doowink
pruman91 said:
Are we headed to a salary cap on NIL ?????.....................If not , and all restrictions are removed , then what little amateur sports that remain will die and cease to exist..........Probably that way already , if the truth was known.........
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I would be in favor of some type of limits to the NIL.....players are essentially being given a free college education (which 4 years could add up to several hundred thousand dollars depending on type of degree), free room and board....which is a pretty good compensation.... but I get it...the school and ncaa are making Mega bucks off of some of these kids....theres got to be a medium somewhere. Give each player on the team a stipend...say $5000 a month their freshman year.....that would total $60,000 a year....not bad for a 19-20 year old kid going to school .....maybe $6000/month their Soph year...$8000/month their junior year....and $10,000 a month their senior year, plus if they finish their senior year staying at the same school all four years a $50,000 bonus....players would be compensated for their name, image, likeness...plus a reward for staying in school and at the same school....I know there would be some players say that they could make a lot more than that if there were no restrictions....well if they're that good then they will probably leave and play professionally somewhere...but the system that we have set up currently is basically a watered down version of pro-ball
 
#38      

illinistephen

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illinistephen
pruman91 said:
Are we headed to a salary cap on NIL ?????.....................If not , and all restrictions are removed , then what little amateur sports that remain will die and cease to exist..........Probably that way already , if the truth was known.........
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There are salary caps in pro sports because they have been collectively bargained by employee (players) unions. MLB has no salary cap. Any attempt to collude into place an artificial cap on what the market is willing to give to college players is going to result is a lawsuit. One the the players are likely to win. Amateur sports will remain where athletes are true volunteers, but imo, the D1 major sport athletes of today fall way more to the side of employee vs. volunteer...Just a matter of time until the courts recognize them as employees.
 
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Calvin

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Calvin
Illini in Italy said:
Which in turns all of college sports into a swirling pool of fecal matter, rudderless and adrift in the sea of money.
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What makes you think the NCAA isn't greedy and exploitative? There's a mountain of evidence they look the other way when convenient and pursue money above all else. On top of that mountain, is an organization which has been legally shown to be a monopoly with its associated exploitation. It blows my mind that there are people buying into the PR they've propagated, or that the revenue sports are "pure" thanks only to the virtuous guidance of this upstanding institution.

Seriously, where does this come from?
 
#40      

Illini in Italy

Illini in Italy
Illini in Italy
Calvin said:
What makes you think the NCAA isn't greedy and exploitative? There's a mountain of evidence they look the other way when convenient and pursue money above all else. On top of that mountain, is an organization which has been legally shown to be a monopoly with its associated exploitation. It blows my mind that there are people buying into the PR they've propagated, or that the revenue sports are "pure" thanks only to the virtuous guidance of this upstanding institution.

Seriously, where does this come from?
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It has nothing to do with the purity argument. The NCAA is more than just football and basketball - it covers 24 different sports across three divisions. Killing off the cash cows of football and basketball by eliminating them for the NCAA (which is where we are headed, IMHO) will effectively kill off the 22 other heavily subsidized sports.

What tends to be conveniently and constantly ignored is the fact that the NCAA is a member-run organization, whose members collectively agreed on the rules of the organization. It blows my mind to see people viewing the NCAA as this third party entity intent on world domination motivated solely by greed. It is the collective 1,098 member schools of the NCAA that steer that ship. If you can imagine, the real direction is likely provided by a select few institutions that hold extraordinary power within the organization. But if you think trying to get 535 individuals to cooperate in effectively and efficiently running this country is difficult, imagine almost twice that many trying to run a much smaller entity . . .

If the athletes want to be paid, and knowing they are not likely to make the bigs, then pay them. But pay them wages what can be supported by whatever organization is going to emerge from the mess, which is likely to be a piss poor quality product when compared to the bigs. Think minor league baseball's pay scale:

Complex league: From $4,800 per year to $19,800
Low-A: $11,000 to $26,200
High-A: $11,000 to $27,300
AA: $13,800 to $30,250
AAA: $17,500 to $35,800
 
#41      

foby

foby
Bonnaroo Land
foby
Not sure there's any way to put the NIL genie back in the bottle.

Not sure there would be any way to put any kind of limits on NIL because it (technically) has nothing to do with playing sports, but is tied to the athletes Name, Image and Likeness. Putting restrictions on it would be like restricting Mahomes, Gronk, Kelce etc. from all that product shilling they do.
 
#42      

Calvin

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Calvin
Illini in Italy said:
What tends to be conveniently and constantly ignored is the fact that the NCAA is a member-run organization, whose members collectively agreed on the rules of the organization. It blows my mind to see people viewing the NCAA as this third party entity intent on world domination motivated solely by greed.
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I don't agree with the way you've framed it --that this will kill off the cash cows of football and bball, and therefore the subsidized sports as well. If you feel that way, your post makes a lot more sense. To me, "member run" monopoly is still a monopoly that sucks up wages for itself. And I'm being charitable here, to say they have a spotty record of enforcement.

I suppose a lot of this boils down to free-market arguments, and whether you like the colleges restricting some athletes to subsidize others. As a fan, I don't like all the changes, but I accept that it's a heck of a lot better for the guys risking their bodies, and investing their time and energy in entertainment for fans. To me, that's fairer. And I think a centralized business model can lead to more corruption. If you think there's too much money at the school or conference level, it's that much more at the NCAA level.

Personally, I was happy to see states take up the issue in favor of the athletes, not that anyone asked me.
 
#43      

Bucktown

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Bucktown
Calvin said:
I don't agree with the way you've framed it --that this will kill off the cash cows of football and bball, and therefore the subsidized sports as well. If you feel that way, your post makes a lot more sense. To me, "member run" monopoly is still a monopoly that sucks up wages for itself. And I'm being charitable here, to say they have a spotty record of enforcement.

I suppose a lot of this boils down to free-market arguments, and whether you like the colleges restricting some athletes to subsidize others. As a fan, I don't like all the changes, but I accept that it's a heck of a lot better for the guys risking their bodies, and investing their time and energy in entertainment for fans. To me, that's fairer. And I think a centralized business model can lead to more corruption. If you think there's too much money at the school or conference level, it's that much more at the NCAA level.

Personally, I was happy to see states take up the issue in favor of the athletes, not that anyone asked me.
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Every market has its rules and few are entirely free. A player has the choice of which school to play for and a degree at each school is worth a different amount. And, that degree is different depending on the interest level of each student athlete. There is a lot of competition.

I know this is a fan forum and there is a huge amount of cynicism regarding the NCAA and athletes, but most athletes love playing their sport and don't feel exploited. Except for the +/- 1% they are done when they graduate college. Further, just about any varsity athlete and any level of NCAA athletics (I, II or III) that gets a degree will be looked upon very favorably when looking for a job in the world beyond sports. It isn't a one way street where the schools get all of the benefits.
 
#44      

Illini in Italy

Illini in Italy
Illini in Italy
Bucktown said:
Every market has its rules and few are entirely free. A player has the choice of which school to play for and a degree at each school is worth a different amount. And, that degree is different depending on the interest level of each student athlete. There is a lot of competition.

I know this is a fan forum and there is a huge amount of cynicism regarding the NCAA and athletes, but most athletes love playing their sport and don't feel exploited. Except for the +/- 1% they are done when they graduate college. Further, just about any varsity athlete and any level of NCAA athletics (I, II or III) that gets a degree will be looked upon very favorably when looking for a job in the world beyond sports. It isn't a one way street where the schools get all of the benefits.
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Not to mention the value of four (or five) years of a full ride - which can run north of $300,000. Ask any number of the 43.5 million people with student debt today.
 
#46      

grue2

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grue2
Illini in Italy said:
It has nothing to do with the purity argument. The NCAA is more than just football and basketball - it covers 24 different sports across three divisions. Killing off the cash cows of football and basketball by eliminating them for the NCAA (which is where we are headed, IMHO) will effectively kill off the 22 other heavily subsidized sports.

What tends to be conveniently and constantly ignored is the fact that the NCAA is a member-run organization, whose members collectively agreed on the rules of the organization. It blows my mind to see people viewing the NCAA as this third party entity intent on world domination motivated solely by greed. It is the collective 1,098 member schools of the NCAA that steer that ship. If you can imagine, the real direction is likely provided by a select few institutions that hold extraordinary power within the organization. But if you think trying to get 535 individuals to cooperate in effectively and efficiently running this country is difficult, imagine almost twice that many trying to run a much smaller entity . . .

If the athletes want to be paid, and knowing they are not likely to make the bigs, then pay them. But pay them wages what can be supported by whatever organization is going to emerge from the mess, which is likely to be a piss poor quality product when compared to the bigs. Think minor league baseball's pay scale:

Complex league: From $4,800 per year to $19,800
Low-A: $11,000 to $26,200
High-A: $11,000 to $27,300
AA: $13,800 to $30,250
AAA: $17,500 to $35,800
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There are a number of teams climbing from Div II to Div I to get a slice of the NCCA football bowls and basketball tournaments. These days EVERY FB team in Div I who gets to 6-6, no matter how bad a schedule, is guaranteed a bowl game. Non-power conference members get ~1/10th of a NCAA BB tournament slice each year. Introducing pay per athlete will change the equation and likely stop a lot of the upward migration and possibly even push a number of the weaker schools back into Div II. While I like the result, I'm not sure I agree with the premise.

Personally, I think that each sport should pay for themselves -- facilities, coaches, support staff, travel, etc.. There are a whole lot more cost efficient ways to improve student life than sports teams very few watch.

Title XII requires that if there are scholarships in FB then equal scholarships need to be given to womens sports (BB washes). What about dropping all scholarships and only having NIL payments? What about net profit sharing, by team, after all expenses. Not every player on a team needs to get the same percentage. A combination of NIL and profit sharing?
 
#47      

BRucks

BRucks
BRucks
grue2 said:
There are a number of teams climbing from Div II to Div I to get a slice of the NCCA football bowls and basketball tournaments. These days EVERY FB team in Div I who gets to 6-6, no matter how bad a schedule, is guaranteed a bowl game. Non-power conference members get ~1/10th of a NCAA BB tournament slice each year. Introducing pay per athlete will change the equation and likely stop a lot of the upward migration and possibly even push a number of the weaker schools back into Div II. While I like the result, I'm not sure I agree with the premise.

Personally, I think that each sport should pay for themselves -- facilities, coaches, support staff, travel, etc.. There are a whole lot more cost efficient ways to improve student life than sports teams very few watch.

Title XII requires that if there are scholarships in FB then equal scholarships need to be given to womens sports (BB washes). What about dropping all scholarships and only having NIL payments? What about net profit sharing, by team, after all expenses. Not every player on a team needs to get the same percentage. A combination of NIL and profit sharing?
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Women's basketball gets 15 scholarships to 13 for the men.