NIL Thread (Name, Image, Likeness Rule)

[chrisRunner7]

When anyone becomes an employee they also become eligible to be laid off...........food for thought.......

True, though a) nobody was forcing Dartmouth to field a men's basketball team in the first place (i.e., they could have been "laid off" years ago) and b) if the players unionize, they would presumably negotiate protections against being fired without cause.

I guess it does not surprise me that this originated at an Ivy League school given that those schools are likely (probably?) making money off the men's basketball programs yet have that agreement among themselves not to offer athletic scholarships.

Edit: Dartmouth claims it loses money on its men's basketball program. OK, I guess they won't be able to afford to pay very much if the players end up being employees. Union claims it didn't include TV contracts or basketball tournament revenue in those figures.

 

[Calvin]

Thought this was worth posting. It's on the football side, but has some range of specific amounts players are getting. I assume similar amounts are on the bball side since it's a lot fewer guys on a team, and they can have bigger impact.

It's still the wild west, but maybe not as wild as when it started.

 

[LadyLoyalty]

I am so confused over NIL and school “collectives” now. It seemed the floodgates had opened and there was no turning back, yet the NCAA appears to be selectively cracking down. I can’t imagine what it’s like for coaches and athletic directors to navigate in this absurd recruiting environment. https://theathletic.com/5242869/2024/02/01/ncaa-tennessee-investigation-nil-until-saturday/

 

[ChiefGritty]

I am so confused over NIL and school “collectives” now. It seemed the floodgates had opened and there was no turning back, yet the NCAA appears to be selectively cracking down. I can’t imagine what it’s like for coaches and athletic directors to navigate in this absurd recruiting environment. https://theathletic.com/5242869/2024/02/01/ncaa-tennessee-investigation-nil-until-saturday/

It is the perfect coda to the NCAA era that they overturned amateurism on a half-considered whim and now five years later they're still pretending they didn't.

The reason it seems like no one gave any thought to how any of this would work is that no one did.

 

[Calvin]

I am so confused over NIL and school “collectives” now. It seemed the floodgates had opened and there was no turning back, yet the NCAA appears to be selectively cracking down. I can’t imagine what it’s like for coaches and athletic directors to navigate in this absurd recruiting environment. https://theathletic.com/5242869/2024/02/01/ncaa-tennessee-investigation-nil-until-saturday/

It's not hard to imagine the NCAA rules folks being told which way is up, only to have a few weeks of meetings where they talk among themselves to determine that up is down.

I'm just glad it's not the home team having to deal with the clown car brigade.

 

[Ironman89]

Question just popped in my head and I would like to see if anyone knows the answer. With Missouri's NIL law allowing Missouri high schoolers that sign with a Missouri college to receive NIL money, how does that work with basketball prep programs? I notice Missouri has a player from Oklahoma signed for next year and he is currently playing for Link Acadamy in Branson.

 

[grue2]

New ruling: A TN Federal court suspended the NCAA rule preventing athletes from directly making deals with third parties. e.g. Alumni or collectives for their NIL rights. They said that they believed the NCAA rule would not survive an anti-trust lawsuit.

 

[ChiTown]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1761205581224808617

 

[Wazababybrucedouglaskid]

Basically, if every Illini basketball fan sends $50 a year to our NIL we will have so much talent that we will never have throw things in our living room after losing a game up 7 with less than 40 seconds left! Pay up people!

 

[IlliniKat91]

Basically, if every Illini basketball fan sends $50 a year to our NIL we will have so much talent that we will never have throw things in our living room after losing a game up 7 with less than 40 seconds left! Pay up people!

Illinois basketball: hold my beer

 

[Illinifrank67]

NCAA right now.

 

[ChiefGritty]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1761205581224808617

"NIL money as a recruiting inducement is fair game" is just a plain description of the state of play from the moment this came into place.

Basically, if every Illini basketball fan sends $50 a year to our NIL we will have so much talent that we will never have throw things in our living room after losing a game up 7 with less than 40 seconds left! Pay up people!

Again, this is already what exists.

BECOME AN ICON | ICON for Illini

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www.iconforillini.com

The "solution" to the chaos is a player's union and a collective bargaining agreement (which is how the pro sports are able to restrain a free market in their sports in a rules-based way), but there are several existential challenges to that happening.

My best prediction is that we just remain in the chaos for the foreseeable future, with NIL collectives trying to innovate in creating multi-year commitments. There are a number of bombs that haven't detonated in all this though (collective vs school, collective vs coach, collective vs collective, etc).

 

[Illini in Italy]

"NIL money as a recruiting inducement is fair game" is just a plain description of the state of play from the moment this came into place.


Again, this is already what exists.

BECOME AN ICON | ICON for Illini

Help develop Illini champions in sport and in life. Support NIL today!

www.iconforillini.com

The "solution" to the chaos is a player's union and a collective bargaining agreement (which is how the pro sports are able to restrain a free market in their sports in a rules-based way), but there are several existential challenges to that happening.

My best prediction is that we just remain in the chaos for the foreseeable future, with NIL collectives trying to innovate in creating multi-year commitments. There are a number of bombs that haven't detonated in all this though (collective vs school, collective vs coach, collective vs collective, etc).

I would not be shocked at all to see a number of college presidents make the decision to eliminate football and basketball programs completely. Some seem to forget that the NCAA is a member-run organization, not a separate entity unaccountable to the universities. The courts are essentially dictating to the colleges what they can and cannot do in college athletics. The rational response by the heads of the institutions just might be to say "If we can't make the rules for our own organizations, then we're going to eliminate that huge freaking headache. I've got bigger headaches to deal with, like declining enrollment, lack of state funding, etc., etc. etc." Europe seems to get by without college athletics as we know them in North America.

I agree with you that chaos is going to reign supreme for the foreseeable future, or until the walls of the NCAA come crumbling down (which may be sooner than later). And that will then be replaced by some other organization that will be sued ad infinitum until sport are no longer part of the university experience, and what is left are crappy semi-pro or minor league with a substandard product that no one will want to watch.

 

[ChiefGritty]

I would not be shocked at all to see a number of college presidents make the decision to eliminate football and basketball programs completely.

The rational response by the heads of the institutions just might be to say "If we can't make the rules for our own organizations, then we're going to eliminate that huge freaking headache. I've got bigger headaches to deal with, like declining enrollment, lack of state funding, etc., etc. etc."

In 2024 college presidents are fundraisers and public relations figures. They are sometimes disinterested in sports, though less often than people think, but dropping the football program is the far, far bigger headache than retaining it, from their perspective.

The real rubber is going to meet the road when athletic department budgets start to decline as fans metabolize the reality that donations to NIL contribute to winning and donations to the athletic department don't.

 

[ChiTown]

Basically, if every Illini basketball fan sends $50 a year to our NIL we will have so much talent that we will never have throw things in our living room after losing a game up 7 with less than 40 seconds left! Pay up people!

Unfortunately Don’t think that will solve the coaches non in game adjustments like we’ve experienced lately.

 

[IlliniMike_Aurora]

Interesting, I’m not sure I understand the ins and outs of this.

Out of your pocket , in theirs

 

[illinistephen]

If the NCAA has no enforcement power over NIL does the NCAA even have enforcement power over direct pay to play from DIA to athlete? Would the NCAA win that lawsuit if brought? What is stopping Josh Whitman or any other school's AD from being the CEO of the collective? Unless the whole point is that the people in charge prefer an NIL system of secrecy, no transparency, with the warning bells of a money laundering scheme.
It has always been this way to some extent, but all the power is really with the big donors and the collective even more now, not the coaches and AD. If the collective/big donors don't like the head coach, they turn off the NIL money, and that coach is done no matter what the AD or anyone else thinks.

 

[InDaAZ]

NIL boost for cool names

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1761205752889278766

 

[ChiefGritty]

If the NCAA has no enforcement power over NIL does the NCAA even have enforcement power over direct pay to play from DIA to athlete?

Does the NCAA have enforcement power over direct pay for play by the school? Possibly arguably not.

But direct pay for play by the school makes the players unambiguously employees, which opens up a whole other kettle of fish (and expense) schools are rightfully scared to open.

Not playing the middleman between booster and athlete suits the schools just fine, for as long as that can sustain itself.

But of course the schools do want control and so we get the legal fiction of something like Icon.

They are Super PAC's for college sports, same concept serving the same function for the same legal reasons.

 

[BRucks]

In 2024 college presidents are fundraisers and public relations figures. They are sometimes disinterested in sports, though less often than people think, but dropping the football program is the far, far bigger headache than retaining it, from their perspective.

The real rubber is going to meet the road when athletic department budgets start to decline as fans metabolize the reality that donations to NIL contribute to winning and donations to the athletic department don't.

Which could be the death knell for nonrevenue sports.

 

[Mr. Tibbs]

Which could be the death knell for nonrevenue sports.

it may just mean all D1 schools treat non revenue sports like the current DIII schools do - compete locally against schools that are 300 miles or less away

 

[StarterG]

it may just mean all D1 schools treat non revenue sports like the current DIII schools do - compete locally against schools that are 300 miles or less away

Probably pick a few contests further away. My son ran track for a DIII Wisconsin school and they regularly traveled to Chicago (5 hrs) and even to Memphis.

 

[ChiefGritty]

Probably pick a few contests further away. My son ran track for a DIII Wisconsin school and they regularly traveled to Chicago (5 hrs) and even to Memphis.

My brother ran track for a D3 Wisconsin school! (He stole all the athleticism from our genome, sadly)

And yeah, I once went to a meet of his in St Louis at Wash U.

 

[StarterG]

Just saw this. MBB team is same union as custodians, museum guides etc.

 

[illini80]

Another article on it.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1765106532968980641