North Carolina Academic Fraud Investigation

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A few points: This is the legal case by 2 students, it says they will appeal so it may not be over yet. However, I have a bit of a hard time sympathizing with the students very much, you take a fake class & you should of figured it out fairly quickly. At that point the student needs to own some of this.

the bigger question is where is the NCAA on this, haven't heard much lately, latest bit I see on a quick google search says process is delayed from new information & may carry out to mid year. Sounds a bit convenient from the quote.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/college/2015/08/14/north-carolina-tar-heels-violations-ncaa/31725969/

That would essentially move the timeline to receive penalties from early 2016 until the middle of the year — and spare the men’s basketball team, which will be highly ranked to begin the 2015-16 season, any threat of an immediate postseason ban.
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They aren't doing jack squat to UNC while ol Roy has the basketball team highly ranked and in final 4 contention, you can take that to the bank.
 
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This article from this morning makes it sound like they're still waiting for the NCAA hammer to drop eventually.
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-bas...a-tar-heels-wants-program-good-shape-retiring
. . . Roy Williams on Tuesday reiterated his stance that he has no plans to leave the Tar Heels while an ongoing NCAA investigation continues to hang over the program.
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Of course, Roy whines like UNC is a victim.
"Think about what we've had to do the last three or four years here," Williams said. "We've had to put up with more stuff -- more negative recruiting -- than at any time in my career or at any time in any other coach's career that I ever talked to.
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TheFlyingIllini1317 said:
What a load of crap, typical blue blood not being punished by the NCAA. I wanted that 2005 national championship vacated so badly.
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Even if this were to happen, that championship would not fall to us. Besides, I'd rather win one outright than have one with an asterisk next to it.
 
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MSN reports that "North Carolina has more leeway to fire Williams" today.
He has evidently signed a new contract recently, which includes broader language as to what constitutes firing for cause.

Its quite interesting to me. And to me, with my bias, it sounds like they already have the authority to fire him right now. And that has only been expanded.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nca...leeway-to-fire-williams/ar-BBq38aI?li=BBnb7Kz
 
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I don't understand what Williams is clinging to. It's not like he has a point to prove about his coaching acumen anymore... unless it's that he's not actually losing his grip? 'Cept he totally is.
 
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TheFlyingIllini1317 said:
I know we wouldn't get it, I just don't want them to have it:D
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AMEN, since Self would have stayed at Illinois for at least a little while longer if Roy hadn't packed up and gone back to Carolina when he did.

I was living in Kansas City at the time and as soon as Roy came to the podium and said "I'm goin" I knew we were screwed. I KNEW Kansas would call Self and he would say yes.
 
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FeelYourPaign said:
MSN reports that "North Carolina has more leeway to fire Williams" today.
He has evidently signed a new contract recently, which includes broader language as to what constitutes firing for cause.

Its quite interesting to me. And to me, with my bias, it sounds like they already have the authority to fire him right now. And that has only been expanded.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nca...leeway-to-fire-williams/ar-BBq38aI?li=BBnb7Kz
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On the local espn radio they talked to the guy from USAtoday that did the search, the local journalist seemed to be confused and didn't ask very good questions (IMO), but my impression from the interview was this was no more than updated legalize in a contract extension that some people trying to tie into the academic scandal. It may give UNC a bit more leeway, but in the end, I doubt they do anything to Roy or that this matters...Even if UNC was to decide Roy had to go, this would just be about getting out of the contract with less money.
 
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IlliniRunIn07 said:
I mean, you could still say we had the best finish that year. And if someone asked, "You mean you won a championship?" then I don't think a non-committal half nod would be considered a lie.
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How about if we just said no one finished higher.
 
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How many years is the NCAA going to drag this investigation out? Are they waiting for a year when UNC has some injuries and doesn't make the tournament? The corruption in the NCAA is unbelievable!
 
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This year North Carolina & Syracuse have shown that they can cheat over long periods of time and the NCAA won't discipline them enough to prevent them from getting to the Final Four. Although the NCAA hasn't officially ruled on UNC yet, they certainly made sure not to mess with their team this season. They're just dragging it out as long as possible and will give them a slap on the wrist in the off season, if that even occurs.

Their corruption is unbearable nowadays, and it's really tainting my view of college basketball. When the governing organization isn't keeping the playing field level, it no longer is a sport in my opinion
 
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TeamworkOrange said:
This year North Carolina & Syracuse have shown that they can cheat over long periods of time and the NCAA won't discipline them enough to prevent them from getting to the Final Four. Although the NCAA hasn't officially ruled on UNC yet, they certainly made sure not to mess with their team this season. They're just dragging it out as long as possible and will give them a slap on the wrist in the off season, if that even occurs.

Their corruption is unbearable nowadays, and it's really tainting my view of college basketball. When the governing organization isn't keeping the playing field level, it no longer is a sport in my opinion
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2008 was the year that really proved to me that it pays to cheat in the NCAA, and this year just re-confirms it.
 
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I'm about to the point where I wouldn't mind if the Illini just go all in on a new coach that is willing to play fast and loose with the rules. It seems that is the only way to win the big prize anymore. Look at the recent champs. Ky Lville and UConn. And I imagine UNC to be added this year. NCAA doesn't care cuz the billions keep coming from the tourney rights fees.
 
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Robert68 said:
I'm about to the point where I wouldn't mind if the Illini just go all in on a new coach that is willing to play fast and loose with the rules. It seems that is the only way to win the big prize anymore. Look at the recent champs. Ky Lville and UConn. And I imagine UNC to be added this year. NCAA doesn't care cuz the billions keep coming from the tourney rights fees.
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Nope...unfortunately we (and other non blue bloods) have to play by a different set of rules. We would get hammered if We did half of what Carolina did. It's not what you did...but who did it.
 
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On Probation vs. Under Investigation: Final Four marred by schools with scandals

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/on-pro...by-schools-with-scandals-045055152-ncaab.html
In mid-August, North Carolina went Four Corners on the NCAA and delayed its endlessly ongoing academic fraud case until after this promising season was complete. Dean Smith would have been proud of the stall ball: The school announced that it found additional violations in women’s basketball and men’s soccer that would delay its response to a Notice of Allegations and thus extend the timetable for the entire case.
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Mike said:
Agree that the NCAA is obviously corrupt.

IMO that to compete again we either have to get dirtier than we are now, or partner with other schools to get rid of the NCAA. The larger conferences could and should IMO get together to come up with an alternate national tournament.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/writer/dennis-dodd/18246334/ncaa-task-force-conferences-could-take-over-bowl-system
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There has to be a financial incentive to do that. In order for their to be a sizeable enough financial incentive for the effort to seriously threaten the NCAA, the big football (not basketball!) programs have to get in on it. I'm talking the big SEC, PAC-12 and B10 schools. Wouldn't hurt to have ACC schools in on it, too. Good luck getting that to happen.

We're stuck with the NCAA.
 
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When dealing with faceless corporate entities, you can forget about ethics guiding the decision making process. At a certain level it's all driven by pragmatic analysis: how do we maintain and expand control? How do we profit maximally? How do we hedge against potential disruptions? This applies to all big business - politics, trade, etc.

For a cash cow like UNC that's vital to the brand identity of the NCAA as a whole, there would have to be a murder cover-up or evidence of systematic criminal behavior directly involving key staff before the hammer would drop. In short, the organization's $10.8 billion in media contracts would have to be jeopardized.
 
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