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NCAA is right up there with FIFA as the most corrupt organization in sport.
North Carolina Academic Fraud Investigation
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http://3qh929iorux3fdpl532k03kg.wpe.../2016/04/NOA_Amended_042516_NorthCarolina.pdf
No mention of Men's Basketball in new NOA. I am confused if this replaces the old NOA, because if it does, what happened to all of the MBB allegations?
Looks to me like on this link, this is added response to the original allegations. This doesn't take anything away or remove the original charges, just addresses the new stuff that Carolina added.
89illinigrad
- Chicago
I think they're just saying that the same "policies and procedures" when addressing the new NOA should be followed. However, the allegations have changed.
Illinithad
- Northeast Missouri
I think it's time for the other schools who have been given sanctions by the NCAA recently to step up, speak up and start the process of breaking away from the NCAA.
The NCAA has once again proven that it is nothing but a laughable joke run by people who are most likely taking money on the side. The Illinois's, Purdue's, Mizzou's of the world will never be able to compete because the playing field is not balanced. Screw the NCAA. Do away with it. It would be the wild west where anything goes, but at least we would have a gun in the fight just like the big boys.
The NCAA has once again proven that it is nothing but a laughable joke run by people who are most likely taking money on the side. The Illinois's, Purdue's, Mizzou's of the world will never be able to compete because the playing field is not balanced. Screw the NCAA. Do away with it. It would be the wild west where anything goes, but at least we would have a gun in the fight just like the big boys.
Looking through some UNC public response and that seems to be how they are reading it as well. Just seems beyond explanation that you can report some more violations & come back with claims coming off.
http://www.newsobserver.com/sports/college/acc/unc/article73736122.html
Article says revision starts at 2005 now & diminishes chances that they vacate 2005 NC
I don't know what you're talking about. It's funnythat you would say that... They don't make schnozzes....
URH Snyder 490
Orange Crush '89
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The NCAA is a joke
The NCAA does not regulate didly!
Right, if a department of a University decides on its own to just start giving out blowoff sham classes, that is none of the NCAA's business. And every athletic department, and fraternity, and dorm floor, and pickup basketball group, and basically any two college students you put together in a room is always on the lookout for an easy A. I don't know for a fact that every school in the nation ferries their football and basketball players into classes that have a proven track record getting their kids passing grades for as little work as possible, but I know for a fact that Illinois does, and I would bet that everyone else does too. They would be derelict in their duties if they didn't. An athletic department's job is to keep their kids on a path towards a degree, that degree's legitimacy is none of their business.
Now, if the athletic department CREATES the sham classes, that is a night-and-day 180 degrees different story. That is academic fraud, right in the wheelhouse of the NCAA investigative and enforcement authority. And if even what little work there was in those classes was not done by the players themselves, again, that is a core NCAA issue.
It sure smells like the UNC athletic department had some role in the degree mill set up in the AFAM program, though I haven't seen any smoking guns. And there have definitely been allegations (by McCants and others) of athletic department tutors completing player's coursework. Any NCAA decision must rule on the legitimacy of those claims, and if they can't or won't do so credibly they will deserve the ridicule they will get.
But I just want to make clear that the MERE EXISTENCE of "paper classes" that contained UNC athletes is not an NCAA violation and is not part of their purview. That's an accreditation issue for the University. If that's all they've been able to prove, it's not much of a surprise that they're putting their hammer away.
FeelYourPaign
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S & C,
Understand what you are saying and it all sounds correct. Not reasonable, but correct, if you will tolerate my soapbox. But I thought that I read somewhere several years ago when this was coming to light that the AFAM co-ordinator was getting input from the Athletic Department. Which is at least a middle ground.
But I'm not going to go back and research that. I've sort of given up, mostly.
Understand what you are saying and it all sounds correct. Not reasonable, but correct, if you will tolerate my soapbox. But I thought that I read somewhere several years ago when this was coming to light that the AFAM co-ordinator was getting input from the Athletic Department. Which is at least a middle ground.
But I'm not going to go back and research that. I've sort of given up, mostly.
Days of the Student Athletic are over
Everyone should quit kidding themselves and accept that the days of the student athlete are over. How realistic is it to expect them to carry any reasonable academic load and travel all over the country every day of the week and play at all hours of the day and night. It would take an especially gifted individual to do that while most have trouble meeting the minimum ACT requirements.
Everyone should quit kidding themselves and accept that the days of the student athlete are over. How realistic is it to expect them to carry any reasonable academic load and travel all over the country every day of the week and play at all hours of the day and night. It would take an especially gifted individual to do that while most have trouble meeting the minimum ACT requirements.
At least for most of football and basketball players, they have been over for a long time. For plenty, im sure they never even were. Whats his name from tOSU said it best and its the truth. "He's there to play football, not school." Thats the case for most football and basketball players. Probably always has been.
I think the level one allegations of non-cooperation of two of the individuals involved could spill over outside of the 2005 limitation - we will just have to see.
It is not easy, but this is highly exaggerated, there are plenty of student athletes around the country who do just fine. Also a very generalized bad stereotyping comment at the end of this post.
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ILL in IA
- Iowa City
Does the athletic department need to create it? Wouldn't just knowledge of it, and knowing its players were participating in it without reporting it be a violation?
Report it to who? The University administration?
There's no "our classes are too easy" reporting structure in the NCAA. Like I said before, there are plenty of West Coast DIII liberal art schools where you like grow a flower and talk to it for class credit. That's not the NCAA's problem.
Legitimately laughed out loud.
Not sure if everyone is aware that being accepted at Illinois is not an easy academic task. Years ago everyone was accepted. Many very highly qualified applicants do not have high enough test scores to get in. There are individuals whose primary objective is getting into a good school who have to work hard to get an acceptable test score. Compare that to someone whose primary focus has been athletics for most of their life. To expect them to do as well is not a criticism just a recognition that academics were not their primary concern. Nor have they had the time to focus on academics. Now put them in a university academic environment with the those who have worked to be able to be accepted and require them to spend all of their time focusing on practicing, playing and traveling. Ridiculous to think that they could carry anything close to a "normal" academic load and compete with the general student population.
Again, nobody has said that it is easy, but there are plenty of student athletes in this world that have done well academically and have gone to become very successful in their life. To say that "most have trouble meeting the minimum ACT requirements" is as discriminating, biased, and bad stereotyping statement as one can make.
This is nonsense. I know several D1 athletes (not football or basketball) but who do put in the same practice hours and have a similar, if not worse, travel schedule. They are earning real degrees and great to work with. It's amazing what people can do when we actually require them to put in some effort. Now, the students I describe are using athletics to pay for an education. But I'm not suggesting that the people who have lower admissions standards should be able to pass Quantum Mechanics either. I'm only suggesting that their schedules are not so ridiculous that they should not be expected to put effort into their coursework.
Depends what you mean by "minimum". A solid majority of football and men's basketball players at the Power Five level have very little problem with meeting the NCAA clearinghouse's requirements for admission.
On the other hand the percentage of Power Five revenue sport athletes who would gain admission, even to LAS, at U of I were it not for their athletic prowess is probably in the single digits, and that's nothing to be ashamed of. The level of academic accolades and preparedness of people going to schools like U of I just keeps going up and up and up. Those lucky few who have both the academic gifts to meet that bar and the athletic gifts to be recruited at the elite level of the most competitive sports in the country are a vanishing rarity.
That doesn't make our football and basketball players dumb or unworthy of being in college. It's just the nature of the increasing competitiveness of both halves of the student-athlete equation.
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