Pregame: Illinois at Iowa, Saturday, February 4th, 1:30pm CT, FOX

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john1952 said:
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I miss that ole gal.

Also, the more I thought about it, the more I hope Iowa emerges as our clear rival in all sports (and vice versa for them) in the next decade plus. It just makes so much sense.

Illinois Side
- Yes, people hate Michigan or whatever ... but come on. Especially in football, they just have other rivalries that take up their attention.
- Northwestern will just always be a weird one ... it's like Tennessee/Vanderbilt or Georgia/Georgia Tech - I'm fine calling it a "rivalry," but we are just fundamentally different sports teams and fan bases. It'll never truly heat up.
- Indiana is a great rivalry, but they will ALWAYS prioritize Purdue and that's understandable. The thought of proudly declaring they're our "biggest rival" while they poo-poo the rivalry in general makes me want to puke ... F 'em.
- Missouri will always remain a huge rivalry, but non-conference is just a different dynamic. There is and always will be room for both.

Iowa Side
- On that same Mizzou note, there is plenty of room for them to keep playing Iowa State. Also, a lot of Iowa fans take pride in that being Iowa State's "super bowl," so you won't find a single Hawkeye fan proudly saying ISU is a bigger rivalry to them than Illinois; it's part of the dynamic for them to pretend that Iowa State is fundamentally beneath them.
- Wisconsin is a great rivalry of theirs, but (1) it is has cooled somewhat since the Bielema days (hello!!) and (2) Wisconsin will always, always, always have Minnesota as its biggest rival, and it will be 100% reciprocated on the Minny side.
- Regarding Minnesota ... see above.

Illinois/Iowa is the winner!
 
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Dee_4_Three_83

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Ransom Stoddard said:
I'm like you. I grew up in farm country, moved to C/U as a teen, school at UIUC, then up to Chicago for the first stage of my career. I consider myself a down-stater, but certainly understand the differences between the groups.

I don't mind the differences, or even the animosity to some degree, but it's the condescension that bugs me. People have more in common than they don't, and acting like someone is less than because of where they grew up, where they lived, or what some of their core beliefs are is just ridiculous and amplifies the fractures we already have in our society.

<steps off soap box, goes back to laughing at Iowans>
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I appreciate your admiration for the differences between Chicagoans/Mid-staters/bottom dwellers (not a slight, just couldn't think of a catchy name for Southern Illinoisans).

I also find the irony in your animosity for Iowans. It's not wrong, just ironic.
 
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I think we match up really well with Iowa. Hawkins can put the clamps on anyone when he's locked in, so we can keep Murray in check. TSJ should be able to handle Connor. Dain has some "what are you doing?" moments, but his length should make it tough on Rebraca. And RJ has been locked in defensively recently, I would expect Brad to give him the personal task of not letting Sandfort get an inch of space.
 
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21ChampaignSt

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Fighter of the Nightman said:
I miss that ole gal.

Also, the more I thought about it, the more I hope Iowa emerges as our clear rival in all sports (and vice versa for them) in the next decade plus. It just makes so much sense.

Illinois Side
- Yes, people hate Michigan or whatever ... but come on. Especially in football, they just have other rivalries that take up their attention.
- Northwestern will just always be a weird one ... it's like Tennessee/Vanderbilt or Georgia/Georgia Tech - I'm fine calling it a "rivalry," but we are just fundamentally different sports teams and fan bases. It'll never truly heat up.
- Indiana is a great rivalry, but they will ALWAYS prioritize Purdue and that's understandable. The thought of proudly declaring they're our "biggest rival" while they poo-poo the rivalry in general makes me want to puke ... F 'em.
- Missouri will always remain a huge rivalry, but non-conference is just a different dynamic. There is and always will be room for both.

Iowa Side
- On that same Mizzou note, there is plenty of room for them to keep playing Iowa State. Also, a lot of Iowa fans take pride in that being Iowa State's "super bowl," so you won't find a single Hawkeye fan proudly saying ISU is a bigger rivalry to them than Illinois; it's part of the dynamic for them to pretend that Iowa State is fundamentally beneath them.
- Wisconsin is a great rivalry of theirs, but (1) it is has cooled somewhat since the Bielema days (hello!!) and (2) Wisconsin will always, always, always have Minnesota as its biggest rival, and it will be 100% reciprocated on the Minny side.
- Regarding Minnesota ... see above.

Illinois/Iowa is the winner!
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The biggest thing standing in the way of me calling Iowa our biggest rival is that they don't have anything I want.

No conference championships, no ncaa championships, they don't routinely out recruit us, they don't have better facilities, they don't have better fans, they don't have better corn, they don't have better tractors.

It's just hard to feel too much animosity towards the less fortunate 😏
 
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Retro62 said:
After listening to this, I have to agree with their take. The real failure here was the response to getting caught. It's well worth a listen, thanks for the link!
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I agree. Krush should have figured out a way to get into that dump of an arena, like buying a block of tix back from the Cedar Rapids Boys & Girls Club (news report I read today says that they are only going to use 50), buying on StubHub, etc. They also could have tried some additional way to clown Iowa while there.
 
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Ransom Stoddard

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Dee_4_Three_83 said:
I appreciate your admiration for the differences between Chicagoans/Mid-staters/bottom dwellers (not a slight, just couldn't think of a catchy name for Southern Illinoisans).

I also find the irony in your animosity for Iowans. It's not wrong, just ironic.
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It's not even ironic, it's downright hypocritical. There are wonderful people in Iowa that don't deserve the scorn I hold for them.

But they're from Iowa. ;)
 
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socalini said:
I grew up in Southern IL, went to school in Champaign and settled in Chicago for several years. I don't know that you could find two groups of people with less in common than So. IL and the Chicago area. I don't expect to ever see much of a shared experience or shared pride in the state between those two groups. Just completely different lifestyles and priorities.
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Totally agree with this take. Unfortunately, the disdain is based on far deeper reaching differences than just differing locations in a large state.
 
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NoRival said:
Having been to both Iowa City and Kams, there is no doubt I would rather spend a Saturday at Kams.

Thank you Kams for hosting the Orange Krush.

Iowa Sucks!
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The good thing is that if you're stuck in Iowa City, you can just close your eyes and use the odor to put yourself outside of Kams while they spray the vomit off of the sidewalk.
 
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21ChampaignSt said:
The biggest thing standing in the way of me calling Iowa our biggest rival is that they don't have anything I want.

No conference championships, no ncaa championships, they don't routinely out recruit us, they don't have better facilities, they don't have better fans, they don't have better corn, they don't have better tractors.

It's just hard to feel too much animosity towards the less fortunate 😏
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That’s how hunter dickinson feels about Illinois. Just saying…
 
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jrichisamazing said:
I think we match up really well with Iowa. Hawkins can put the clamps on anyone when he's locked in, so we can keep Murray in check. TSJ should be able to handle Connor. Dain has some "what are you doing?" moments, but his length should make it tough on Rebraca. And RJ has been locked in defensively recently, I would expect Brad to give him the personal task of not letting Sandfort get an inch of space.
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Agree....I'm thinking Rogers will be locked in on someone with the hawkeye emblem on their jersey as well....dude can play some D
 
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socalini said:
I grew up in Southern IL, went to school in Champaign and settled in Chicago for several years. I don't know that you could find two groups of people with less in common than So. IL and the Chicago area. I don't expect to ever see much of a shared experience or shared pride in the state between those two groups. Just completely different lifestyles and priorities.
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I also have the So IL > Champaign > Chicago progression. I agree somewhat but the caveat is I found surprising commonality with the people in school at Illinois that grew up in Chicago proper.
 
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Longtimelurker said:
That’s how hunter dickinson feels about Illinois. Just saying…
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Not sure what you're just trying to say.

Hunter is ignorant. Illinois has more wins, more conference championships, more tournament bids, and more Final Fours than Michigan. The only thing Michigan has that we don't is a National championship.
 
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21ChampaignSt said:
Not sure what you're just trying to say.

Hunter is ignorant. Illinois has more wins, more conference championships, more tournament bids, and more Final Fours than Michigan. The only thing Michigan has that we don't is a National championship.
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What I’m trying to say is that we are not acknowledging a rivalry with Iowa the same way that Michigan did that to us. I would gladly trade resumes with Michigan for the past 40 years…. They’ve been to 5 NCAA championship games since 1989. We’ve been once.
 
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RabidDawgClassic

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socalini said:
I grew up in Southern IL, went to school in Champaign and settled in Chicago for several years. I don't know that you could find two groups of people with less in common than So. IL and the Chicago area. I don't expect to ever see much of a shared experience or shared pride in the state between those two groups. Just completely different lifestyles and priorities.
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Let’s be honest here… people from certain parts of Chicago have animosity towards people from other parts of Chicago, and vice versa.
 
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21ChampaignSt

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Longtimelurker said:
What I’m trying to say is that we are not acknowledging a rivalry with Iowa the same way that Michigan did that to us. I would gladly trade resumes with Michigan for the past 40 years…. They’ve been to 5 NCAA championship games since 1989. We’ve been once.
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I think if you used IU as your example, I wouldn't have a problem with it.

The Michigan example just doesn't hold water. For one, most Illinois fans don't consider them to even be one of our top 4 rivals. And 2 of their Final Fours have been vacated. So they have 3.

Edit: @RabidDawgClassic I agree. But would I trade our full basketball history for theirs? I don't think I would.
 
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Holding Payton Sandfort down tomorrow will be a huge key to victory for us. Murray generates alot of talk and buzz but I believe holding Sandfort is the key. Guy has range, hits difficult shots, they set a ton of screens for him. Limiting their 3's will be huge. Hate to say it but the kid is a winner and a good ball player.
 
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