Pregame: Illinois at Michigan State, Saturday, February 19th, 11:00am CT, ESPN

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Technically, a 40% chance on a 3 is equivalent to a 60% chance on a 2. Arguably, the 3 is better because not all of the misses will end up as offensive rebounds, and therefore are not completely worthless.
Obviously, we ain't shooting 40% on our 3s these days.
I'll take a 40 percent chance on a 3 any day all day. That's the high range, however, and when the offense and defense are both clicking. But there are rough stretches, sometimes more often than a team likes, and that's when you have to see the ball go through the hoop and take the higher percentage shots.
 
#102      

Bigtex

DFW
I think they don't unless they happen to have an athletic advantage on the opponent guarding them. At times they may and then they will drive. In this conference that may not be most nights for most of them. That's why BU wants long athletic wings. This is another skill set RJ may have an edge over opponents more often due to his explosive athleticism and quickness. Someone needs to drive besides just Trent and Plummer. I know Belo and RJ can on most nights with the skills they have that give them an advantage on offense. Defense playing 4 guys that are really guards is what causes issues. I'd be curious to see how a line up with 3 guards that can drive and shoot along with Kofi and BBV to stop are stronger wings from posting up could do.
Way too much expected from bbv. He plays if kofi is hurt or fouls. There is a reason he didn’t play against Indiana and Wisconsin. And minutes against nw x2
 
#103      

Bigtex

DFW
I am pretty sure Walton is doing our game on Saturday. Smh.
 
#104      

skyIdub

Winged Warrior
I'm gonna drive to Champaign tomorrow........ even though the game is in East Lansing, then get out and look around cluelessly like John Travolta in Pulp Fiction (and most of our team yesterday).

Because it's all bassackwards right now.

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#105      
Way too much expected from bbv. He plays if kofi is hurt or fouls. There is a reason he didn’t play against Indiana and Wisconsin. And minutes against nw x2
I don't expect anything from BBV that he hasn't already done. Guys the size of BBV with skill in the post cause major issues for our 4s. BBV has faired well down low, rebounded, is physical, not just backed down, and tall enough to challenge shots. He plays to his strengths and not his weaknesses. If he gets a couple buckets that's even better. When he came he was a stretch four and shot pretty well. That just stopped because we needed him down low but it doesn't mean he can't do that if called upon. I don't expect that but we saw that early in before he was hurt. He has done well filling in so farr and doesn't take plays off. I think Hawk is out best talent but he does lose focus and take plays off at times. I wish he didn't
 
#108      
Why do we never try any short 2-pt shots? It's Kofi or launch a 3. That's way too predictable, and it's easy to see what happens when one of those options doesn't work.
BU has said a number of times that he doesn't want them. He prefers lay-ups or 3 pointers. He doesn't mind runners but he doesn't want midrange pull-ups. Maybe he has adjusted his thinking but, he has made that statement while being interviewed while coming off of the floor at halftime on national tv.
 
#109      
Technically, a 40% chance on a 3 is equivalent to a 60% chance on a 2. Arguably, the 3 is better because not all of the misses will end up as offensive rebounds, and therefore are not completely worthless.
Obviously, we ain't shooting 40% on our 3s these days.
Three teams in the country are shooting 3s at a 40% rate. Illinoi is at 36.2%.
 
#110      

Calillini

Now appearing in Tampa
This is what Ayo did for us and what Derozen does for the Bulls. I get the analytics but a higher percentage shot for 2 is preferable (to me) to a challenged, lower-percentage 3.
Especially when we are 1 for 13
 
#112      

Calillini

Now appearing in Tampa
BU has said a number of times that he doesn't want them. He prefers lay-ups or 3 pointers. He doesn't mind runners but he doesn't want midrange pull-ups. Maybe he has adjusted his thinking but, he has made that statement while being interviewed while coming off of the floor at halftime on national tv.
Sure, and I “prefer“ ribeye steaks, but there are days we all have to adjust, you think?
 
#113      
Many (me included) believe that a diet of only dunks, layups, and 3 pointers is actually a very nice thing.
It can be IF the threes are falling. However, shoot like we did in the first half against Rutgers, and not so much.
 
#114      
BU has said a number of times that he doesn't want them. He prefers lay-ups or 3 pointers. He doesn't mind runners but he doesn't want midrange pull-ups. Maybe he has adjusted his thinking but, he has made that statement while being interviewed while coming off of the floor at halftime on national tv.
I don't think it's quite this simple. Look how many mid range jumpers and floaters Rutgers made.
 
#115      
BU has said a number of times that he doesn't want them. He prefers lay-ups or 3 pointers. He doesn't mind runners but he doesn't want midrange pull-ups. Maybe he has adjusted his thinking but, he has made that statement while being interviewed while coming off of the floor at halftime on national tv.
Thar was Rick Pitino's mindset when he got to Kentucky in the day. However, they did not win on the national stage until they had more than one legitimate post player on the roster. Maybe someone has said it, but that is strictly analytics.
 
#116      

illini55

The Villages, FL
DMW seemingly never fully recovered from the ACL tear his senior year of HS. Obviously it's structurally sound and he has played on it injury-free for 6 years since then, but he never regained the scoring prowess he showed previously.
At this late date, I'd say his playing style and ability is more due to the increased level of competition than any injury. He's about six years removed from the ACL tear, so using that as a factor is a no go for me.
 
#117      

sacraig

The desert
At this late date, I'd say his playing style and ability is more due to the increased level of competition than any injury. He's about six years removed from the ACL tear, so using that as a factor is a no go for me.
But that tear would have been affecting him at least mentally during his formative college years. It certainly could have played a role in the role he fell into.
 
#118      
But that tear would have been affecting him at least mentally during his formative college years. It certainly could have played a role in the role he fell into.
Actually I've seen Damonte more aggressive towards basket this year than prior. Everyone seemed hesitant at Rutgers.

On side note, I think Andre has a really smooth midrange as well as Grandison.

Rutgers needs to be forgotten, by players particularly.

Keys for our success past and forward:

1. Swagger back on O/great passing
2. fight for loose balls/rebounds
3. Stifling D
4. Be relentless
 
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#120      
Movement off the ball on offense would go a long way to cure recent ills. You can't give the ball to Kofi and the stand there and watch him get triple teamed. Recipe for disaster.

I'm okay with a tweak in the stating lineup, but no way I'm putting Hawkins in there. I'm not sure he should see more than a minute here or there in games. He makes way too many mistakes and his body language is really poor. He needs to learn how to play through mistakes and not flail around in frustration.
 
#123      

pruman91

Paducah, Ky
Actually I've seen Damonte more aggressive towards basket this year than prior. Everyone seemed hesitant at Rutgers.

On side note, I think Andre has a really smooth midrange as well as Grandison.

Rutgers needs to be forgotten, by players particularly.

Keys for our success past and forward:

1. Swagger back on O/great passing
2. fight for loose balls/rebounds
3. Stifling D
4. Be relentless
That is true as far as driving to the basket ....the problem is it seldom translates into a scoring sequence for DMW.....I know he passes back out , but he rarely scores on his attacking and when he drives the baseline it's usually a turnover waiting to happen....

Once again , love DMW for being such a loyal Illini , but if we want to have a long run in the dance , we are going to need more offensive production from the spots that DMW and Jake occupy now..........As far as what's best for the TEAM , I think more R J , Luke and Podz and less DMW and Jake and Plummer , especially on D is what we need to incorporate in the last 5 B1G games and the BTT .......JMHO
 
#124      
That is true as far as driving to the basket ....the problem is it seldom translates into a scoring sequence for DMW.....I know he passes back out , but he rarely scores on his attacking and when he drives the baseline it's usually a turnover waiting to happen....

Once again , love DMW for being such a loyal Illini , but if we want to have a long run in the dance , we are going to need more offensive production from the spots that DMW and Jake occupy now..........As far as what's best for the TEAM , I think more R J , Luke and Podz and less DMW and Jake and Plummer , especially on D is what we need to incorporate in the last 5 B1G games and the BTT .......JMHO
So you think putting in a freshman that has scored 30 points this year would be a better fit than the person that leads the Big Ten in 3 pointers, especially when we are having a scoring drought? I agree we should ease back on some players minutes and I especially agree that Plummer's defense is not good, but I still think we need Plummer to have more minutes than Podz, (however I do like his future potential). Unfortunately, you just can't sub defense for offense unless you have a foul or timeout break. I also would be fine with seeing more of Melendez and Goode.
 
#125      
That is true as far as driving to the basket ....the problem is it seldom translates into a scoring sequence for DMW.....I know he passes back out , but he rarely scores on his attacking and when he drives the baseline it's usually a turnover waiting to happen....

Once again , love DMW for being such a loyal Illini , but if we want to have a long run in the dance , we are going to need more offensive production from the spots that DMW and Jake occupy now..........As far as what's best for the TEAM , I think more R J , Luke and Podz and less DMW and Jake and Plummer , especially on D is what we need to incorporate in the last 5 B1G games and the BTT .......JMHO
If not that, at least a standard plan to attack these 5 minute droughts
 
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