Pregame: Illinois vs Missouri, Thursday, December 22nd, 8:00pm CT, SECN

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madillini4

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Happy braggin’ Rights day from Milwaukee!
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Roundball Sage

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altgeld88 said:
The one day per year that their Rip Van Winkle fan base awakens from its decades-long coma?
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The State of Missouri is a couple of States in one.

St. Louis developed as sort of “most Western ‘Eastern’-type city” back in the 1800s. And if not for some political blunders in that mid-Century that allowed Chicago to blow past it in power and influence... St. Louis might have been the ‘Chicago’ of today.

Kansas City is more of a Western town. Different kind of development.

St. Louis is National League and was NFL. Kansas City is American League and AFL (AFC). St. Louis got the hockey team and KC missed on getting one (most recently). Both have pretty much failed at pro hoops.

And Northern Missouri is Iowa-like while Southern Missouri is Arkansas-Southern like.

The State purportedly is unified by Mizzou. But the Mizzou footballers and roundballers haven’t exactly been World-beaters in recent years. Passion a bit lacking.

Missouri doesn’t like that they could have been the power that Illinois became – but didn’t. St. Louis for a time thought of itself as approaching a World-Class City status... and quickly lost that after the 1904 World’s Fair. Chicago became that World-Class City which it retains even with its significant problems today.

So Missouri has ‘reasons’ not to like the Illini... and the Illini has no reason to be enamored at all with Mizzou. This shared dueling histories is deep in both our DNAs and makes for one hell-of-a good basketball rivalry.

And the epicenter is in The Lou and Metro East where hot court action always burns bright.

What 'Could Have Been' vs. 'What IS'... that always gets the energy going.
 
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Aldy1955

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Illini 993 said:
I have been to more than 25 of these games, and I can predict that there will be very good seats available from scalpers outside the venue. My son and I went this route for some years, and got some amazing seats, including a year that I sat with the Mizzou football team and coach around us (Coach Pinkel right behind us, and a starting WR next to me, the governor one row ahead of us.) The best seats going cheap are available when there is bad weather, so there could be some good deals this year. Of course, you will have to brave the cold and snow to buy them, but it is a much cheaper opportunity to get discounted good seats. As game time nears, scalpers unload what they have left. For the game itself, all bets are off on this game. I've seen both sides win with inferior teams. The best game I've seen, albeit with a disappointing result, was the triple OT game in 1993 - 108-107 MIZZOU.
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altgeld88

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Roundball Sage said:
The State of Missouri is a couple of States in one.

St. Louis developed as sort of “most Western ‘Eastern’-type city” back in the 1800s. And if not for some political blunders in that mid-Century that allowed Chicago to blow past it in power and influence... St. Louis might have been the ‘Chicago’ of today.

Kansas City is more of a Western town. Different kind of development.

St. Louis is National League and was NFL. Kansas City is American League and AFL (AFC). St. Louis got the hockey team and KC missed on getting one (most recently). Both have pretty much failed at pro hoops.

And Northern Missouri is Iowa-like while Southern Missouri is Arkansas-Southern like.

The State purportedly is unified by Mizzou. But the Mizzou footballers and roundballers haven’t exactly been World-beaters in recent years. Passion a bit lacking.

Missouri doesn’t like that they could have been the power that Illinois became – but didn’t. St. Louis for a time thought of itself as approaching a World-Class City status... and quickly lost that after the 1904 World’s Fair. Chicago became that World-Class City which it retains even with its significant problems today.

So Missouri has ‘reasons’ not to like the Illini... and the Illini has no reason to be enamored at all with Mizzou. This shared dueling histories is deep in both our DNAs and makes for one hell-of-a good basketball rivalry.

And the epicenter is in The Lou and Metro East where hot court action always burns bright.

What 'Could Have Been' vs. 'What IS'... that always gets the energy going.
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Love that history. Thanks. You're right: KC is on the Plains. Very different place. I've always been a big fan of it and its Kansas burbs. Interesting state, and quite culturally varied. The Missouri-Kansas animosity, dating to the Missouri Compromise and the violence that accompanied it, makes the Braggin' Rights rivalry look like a sewing circle! ;)
 
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GallopingGhost

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GILL-INOIS said:
Tempo and turnovers are the key for this game. Missouri likes to force turnovers and Illinois likes to give the ball away. If Illinois controls the turnovers/press/tempo than they control this game.

Scoring Defense per game

Missouri 75.0 308th

Illinois 62.1 42nd


Steals per game

Missouri 12.7 1st

Illinois 8.3 71st


Turnovers forced per game

Missouri 20.09 7th

Illinois 16.73 38th


Turnovers per game

Missouri 12.9 T-165th

Illinois 15.1 309th
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Most importantly the strength of schedule is something to consider. They’ve played mostly cupcakes except UCF and Kansas. So yeah their steak and turnover numbers, as well as scoring is gonna look a little inflated
 
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pruman91

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Hochman: Illinois’ Terrence Shannon Jr. will be a problem for Mizzou

The Illini are the No. 16 team in the nation. This is the highest-ranked Illinois team to play Mizzou in St. Louis since 2012 (two seasons ago, the Braggin’ Rights
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Dennis Gates knows.
Heck, Dennis Gates knew first.
Gates knew when he offered him his first high-major scholarship out of high school
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And Gates knew this past spring, when he tried to recruit him to Mizzou.
Gates knows Terrence Shannon Jr. has that “it” factor to take over a big game.
And now, Gates must make sure he doesn’t.
 
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Fighter of the Nightman

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Chicago, IL
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BRucks said:
What's the weather like there?
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Honestly not bad, I get the impression St. Louis and its infrastructure is just poorly equipped for snow - JUST far enough south that it isn’t “part of life” in the winter. It reminds me of Indianapolis, where my sister lived for nine years and change.

It’s VERY cold (but less cold than where the rest of my family and friends are north of here), but precipitation is light to say the least.
 
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