St Louis Cardinals 2023

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illiniwil
Ryllini said:
This off-season will be interesting. Should we want any of the pitchers back we got rid of and Re-sign them, it would cost us a pick if their current teams offer them a QO. That was my understanding. We are going to have a high pick and a high second and Flores is pretty good at identifying talent. I say we do not go back after any of these pitchers we cleared if a QO is offered to them. Here is the thing, we then would have to spend on some pitching. We could try and go the Rangers route this year and sign some high risk and high upside to one year deals as we wait for the farm to get here, or do we go after some names and sign them longer term?

No question the outfield needs to be cleaned up. I hate to give up on TON, because if the pop, speed, and defense, but the dude is just injured all the time.

I firmly believe Edman needs to be at second, he isn’t a long term SS that we hope Winn is. Larger than our outfield problem is our DH problem. Gorman, Walker, and Contreras. I think we can get by with Contreras catching 4-5 times a week. Gorman probably should just DH. Retrospect, JW probably should’ve just stayed in AAA this year. I would get him as many reps at first as humanly possible.
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i wonder if Gorman gets us Rodriguez?
 
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GILL-INOIS
illiniwil said:
i wonder if Gorman gets us Rodriguez?
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Never say never but I don't see them moving Gorman

Cardinals will get a ton of calls this offseason with guys like Gorman, Donovan, Burleson, etc all having 5 or more years of cheap club control. Hopefully we can sign a free agent and if we do trade for one guy we don't lose a ton.

Real curious what the Dodgers offered for Rodriguez in the first place
 
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Ryllini
illiniwil said:
i wonder if Gorman gets us Rodriguez?
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Maybe, hard to know exactly how far from Miami he wants to be. Gorman would be tough pill to swallow moving on from, but with immediate team make-up, for me it's hard to see where he fits. I don't think the front office will do it and i don't really k ow how you sell it to the fanbase. In the mean time, Gorman needs to he relentless on infield instruction. If he does stay at 2nd, a guy with 30-40 hr potential from that position is absurd.
 
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pruman91
and the beat goes on................................

I want Waino to get to 200 wins as much as anyone , but at what cost ??.............sure the season is over , but I am so tired of seeing Waino start a game and then being down 3 + runs before the Cardinals get their first at bat................
 
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the national
pruman91 said:
and the beat goes on................................

I want Waino to get to 200 wins as much as anyone , but at what cost ??.............sure the season is over , but I am so tired of seeing Waino start a game and then being down 3 + runs before the Cardinals get their first at bat................
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I’m not able to watch the game tonight but I did see the Rox were putting up crooked numbers early. Does he look sluggish?
 
#1,735      
IlliniFaninHoosierLand
Se Il Illini said:
The club needs to come out and say this. Fans buy tickets to see the Cardinals win. I am sure the DeWitts have not cut prices on tickets. I know this is common practice in the NBA. I am probably too old school for this type of manager.
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This is a lot more common nowadays than you think, and not just in basketball but in other sports as well. While I get where you're coming from, they'll still have 3+ million people come through the turnstiles this season, whether they're having a top team out there or not.
 
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IlliniFaninHoosierLand
illiniwil said:
there is still no excuse. you have to pinch hit in that situation. even if its oneil, who homered the night before.
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illiniwil said:
ive got two beefs: (at least)

1. Why are we playing our triple A lineup once a week? People don't come to Busch or turn on the TV to see Buleson, Motter, Fermin,
Knizner. We can rest the big guns one day at a time or DH them. Let's create some excitement, promote ticket sales, and bring up
Winn!
2. Then we push that line up out there and get to a key spot in the 8th and 9th and forget we have pinch hitters on the bench to use?
Motter made the last out with the tieing run at the plate and pinch hitters available. Seems were tanking for a high first round draft
pick. Somebody needs to tell our manager "You play to win the game".
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This team is playing out the string the rest of the year. It's not unheard of for teams that are out of playoff contention to get some of their younger players some experience. I mean, you clearly don't have an issue with them pitching guys like Hudson and Liberatore at this point. Promoting ticket sales, as you called it, is a sunk cost when you consider how many tickets they have already sold for this season. I'll be at the Labor Day Sunday game against the Pirates and will be perfectly fine with whoever I see out there.

And by the way, you won't see Winn called up til they'll have his rookie of the year status for 2024 secured.

There's no point in having a guy like Arenado pinch hit last night, especially if Oli had told him he had the night off. Guys this time of year are nursing injuries and it wouldn't surprise me if Arenado is dealing with something right now.
 
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Boomauer
Cards 1-6 with runners in scoring position...Rockies 8-22. Top 4 Cards hitters have 9 hits, but Cards have only managed 4 runs. 😠
 
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pruman91
www.stltoday.com

Cardinals crumble quickly as Colorado scores seven runs off starter Adam Wainwright

Early six-run lead gives Rockies protection against three homers from the Nolans, Gorman and Arenado, in 9-4 victory at Busch Stadium. Wainwright stalled at 199 career wins.
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In first full year as outfielder, Jordan Walker building defensive instincts: Cardinals Extra

When he started in right field on Friday, Jordan Walker ranked in the eighth percentile of MLB players in outfield jumps, per Statcast.
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Se Il Illini
IlliniFaninHoosierLand said:
This is a lot more common nowadays than you think, and not just in basketball but in other sports as well. While I get where you're coming from, they'll still have 3+ million people come through the turnstiles this season, whether they're having a top team out there or not.
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I fully understand that. But I still still think the ballclub is doing a disservice at that point to hans that make-up part of that 3 million in attendance.
 
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illiniwil
IlliniFaninHoosierLand said:
This team is playing out the string the rest of the year. It's not unheard of for teams that are out of playoff contention to get some of their younger players some experience. I mean, you clearly don't have an issue with them pitching guys like Hudson and Liberatore at this point. Promoting ticket sales, as you called it, is a sunk cost when you consider how many tickets they have already sold for this season. I'll be at the Labor Day Sunday game against the Pirates and will be perfectly fine with whoever I see out there.

And by the way, you won't see Winn called up til they'll have his rookie of the year status for 2024 secured.

There's no point in having a guy like Arenado pinch hit last night, especially if Oli had told him he had the night off. Guys this time of year are nursing injuries and it wouldn't surprise me if Arenado is dealing with something right now.
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that attitude loses games. period.
 
#1,744      
pruman91
THATS A WINNER !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Cards win 6-2 over the Rockies..........

Matz with another quality start & win.......................
 
#1,746      
JK13
pruman91 said:
THATS A WINNER !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Cards win 6-2 over the Rockies..........

Matz with another quality start & win.......................
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Was at the game. Matz looked really good tonight. Pounded the strike zone. Cards would have won by more if it wasn't for some stellar plays on defense by the Rockies.
 
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socalini
Why pull Zach Thompson after 4 innings with 2 hits, 1 ER and 8 strikeouts? I know it was a planned bullpen game, but sometimes you need to go with the flow. Give the kid a chance to show how far he can take a quality start.

Marmol is always too quick to go to our weak bullpen as far as I’m concerned. Especially recently as we’ve been getting more frequent quality starts. I miss the days when a good start could lead to a complete game.
 
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Ryllini
socalini said:
Why pull Zach Thompson after 4 innings with 2 hits, 1 ER and 8 strikeouts? I know it was a planned bullpen game, but sometimes you need to go with the flow. Give the kid a chance to show how far he can take a quality start.

Marmol is always too quick to go to our weak bullpen as far as I’m concerned. Especially recently as we’ve been getting more frequent quality starts. I miss the days when a good start could lead to a complete game.
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I think they stated yesterday or the day before that today was going to be a bullpen game.
 
#1,749      
pruman91
I've got a good feeling about Thompson filling one of the rotation starters spots for next season..........He has been yanked around for a couple seasons now , so how about we stick him there and give him some confidence..........

He was raking it today , for sure...................
 
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