Texas coach Chris Beard arrested

IllinoisssssssVarsity · Dec 16, 2022

Fighter of the Nightman said:
Is Texas a “big time program” in a way Illinois isn’t? Because they have a lot of football money? Are we worried about Notre Dame and Alabama taking Brad, too??

He ain’t goin’ nowhere.

Honestly the basketball first (in their work/personal lives) people I know, are still Texas football first in their fandom.

It is literally the exact opposite of what Illinois has been. Football season gets us to basketball season.

Down here, basketball gets them to spring football. I went to a UNC/UT game a few years ago. Half empty stadium and no atmosphere at all. Thought I was watching golf. Could you imagine UNC going to any school that cared even a little bit about basketball? Wouldn’t be an open seat anywhere and the crowd wouldn’t be sitting on their hands, that’s for sure.

That said, I’ve heard the new stadium is better for the student section, but I’ve been there for a concert, and overall, I was not overly impressed. Seats were super uncomfortable and cramped. There was a good amount of places for donors, like many places have, but they usually aren’t bringing the energy.

The practice facility leaves a bit to be desired as well. Obviously ours is brand new now and should be better, and it is. But even compared to the old ubben, UT was even with it at best.

Navy_illini · Dec 23, 2022

Beard's fiancee retracts allegation he choked her

The fiancee of suspended Texas coach Chris Beard said Friday that Beard did not strangle her and was acting in self-defense from her.

www.espn.com

BashCtIllini · Dec 23, 2022

Navy_illini said:
Beard's fiancee retracts allegation he choked her

The fiancee of suspended Texas coach Chris Beard said Friday that Beard did not strangle her and was acting in self-defense from her.

www.espn.com

translation, he apologized and she likes being rich

NEIlliniFan · Dec 23, 2022

Better translation: Domestic violence and abuse is extremely complex. Many of those abused later retract their statements. Battered wife/Partner Syndrome which, by the away, doesn't translate to "She's an opportunistic gold digger".

Navy_illini · Dec 23, 2022

It makes it hard for UT. You have the horrendous police report but then you have the victim saying it didn’t happen. I am not sure how UT handles this

sbillini · Dec 23, 2022

Navy_illini said:
It makes it hard for UT. You have the horrendous police report but then you have the victim saying it didn’t happen. I am not sure how UT handles this

I would think the police observations and her statements at the scene carry more weight than her decisions afterwards.

But yes, from a purely legal standpoint, her retracting statements probably make it difficult to prosecute.

PasadenaIllini · Dec 23, 2022

sbillini said:
I would think the police observations and her statements at the scene carry more weight than her decisions afterwards.

But yes, from a purely legal standpoint, her retracting statements probably make it difficult to prosecute.

The standard of employment as an NCAA basketball coach and the standard of conviction in criminal court are two entirely different things. There is plenty of evidence showing that no halfway decent basketball program should hire this guy.

sbillini · Dec 23, 2022

PasadenaIllini said:
The standard of employment as an NCAA basketball coach and the standard of conviction in criminal court are two entirely different things. There is plenty of evidence showing that no halfway decent basketball program should hire this guy.

I never said otherwise. But it’s Texas. My only point was the legal system likely won’t decide for them, so the boosters will decide for themselves. And who knows how that decision plays out.

Point-Illinois · Dec 23, 2022

sbillini said:
I never said otherwise. But it’s Texas. My only point was the legal system likely won’t decide for them, so the boosters will decide for themselves. And who knows how that decision plays out.

Can they fire him for cause if there is no legal action taken against him and the statements were retracted by the victim?

sbillini · Dec 23, 2022

Point-Illinois said:
Can they fire him for cause if there is no legal action taken against him and the statements were retracted by the victim?

I’m guessing that depends on how the contract is worded. I know in some CEO contracts being indicted is enough to fire for cause. but if there’s no indictment, I think beard would have a case to sue if they try to fire him for cause.

Overall I don’t think it ever gets there though. If beard does get axed, I think they pay him to leave (if they want him to leave at all) if the legal process doesn’t go further than it has.

BretMyBeachHouse · Dec 23, 2022

sbillini said:
I’m guessing that depends on how the contract is worded. I know in some CEO contracts being indicted is enough to fire for cause. but if there’s no indictment, I think beard would have a case to sue if they try to fire him for cause.

Overall I don’t think it ever gets there though. If beard does get axed, I think they pay him to leave (if they want him to leave at all) if the legal process doesn’t go further than it has.

I think the police report is enough to get him fired for cause. I think the retraction is enough for him to get some sort of severance to avoid a legal battle.

GetAWin · Dec 23, 2022

NEIlliniFan said:
Better translation: Domestic violence and abuse is extremely complex. Many of those abused later retract their statements. Battered wife/Partner Syndrome which, by the away, doesn't translate to "She's an opportunistic gold digger".

Very well said. Its complicated and until you've been there yourself or have someone close to you go through it, you can't understand it. But you can have some compassion for others.

illiniguy · Dec 23, 2022

IllinoisssssssVarsity said:
I pointed out that you can not pledge allegiance to 2 different things because that’s not how allegiance works by definition.

Umm...do you have a religion?...You might not call it “allegiance” but for Christ’s sake....

Ramrod2010 · Dec 24, 2022

BretMyBeachHouse said:
I think the police report is enough to get him fired for cause. I think the retraction is enough for him to get some sort of severance to avoid a legal battle.

Yeah, pretty sure this is the right answer.

Not sure what Texas will do though. Maybe suspension with mandatory completion of counseling over a set time frame.

Illini-Rule · Dec 24, 2022

PasadenaIllini said:
The standard of employment as an NCAA basketball coach and the standard of conviction in criminal court are two entirely different things. There is plenty of evidence showing that no halfway decent basketball program should hire this guy.

I would say he's next in line to take over at Michigan when Howard leaves for he NBA.

Fulton County Illini · Dec 24, 2022

Illini-Rule said:
I would say he's next in line to take over at Michigan when Howard leaves for he NBA.

Or to jail for assault

Illini 993 · Dec 25, 2022

I doubt that her retraction will necessarily cause the legal problems to go away. If the police saw clear evidence of a crime, the DA should still prosecute.

PasadenaIllini · Dec 25, 2022

Illini 993 said:
I doubt that her retraction will necessarily cause the legal problems to go away. If the police saw clear evidence of a crime, the DA should still prosecute.

I really wish that were so, but I can see the DA viewing the case as too difficult to win with the survivor of the assault ready to testify against the prosecution. I'm as big a fan of poetic justice as any, but I can't see it happening here. The only consequence Beard is likely to experience as a result of being absolute scum is that people far and wide will know what a piece of carp he is. Hopefully he winds up experiencing some ostracism from others if not from his wife just yet.

RabidDawgClassic · Dec 26, 2022

Illini 993 said:
I doubt that her retraction will necessarily cause the legal problems to go away. If the police saw clear evidence of a crime, the DA should still prosecute.

Uh…. Are you new to society???

Hondo · Dec 26, 2022

We have lots of examples of the law getting the facts wrong. Lord knows I have seen it first hand.

Illini 993 · Dec 27, 2022

RabidDawgClassic said:
Uh…. Are you new to society???

Can the Victim Drop Domestic Violence Charges? - FindLaw

Getting a domestic violence charge dropped may be unlikely, but there may be other things you can do to protect yourself and your children. Learn more at FindLaw's Family Law section.

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No, why do you ask?

RabidDawgClassic · Dec 27, 2022

Illini 993 said:
Can the Victim Drop Domestic Violence Charges? - FindLaw

Getting a domestic violence charge dropped may be unlikely, but there may be other things you can do to protect yourself and your children. Learn more at FindLaw's Family Law section.

www.findlaw.com

No, why do you ask?

I mean, if you have to ask….

Let’s just say the gap between what should happen and what usually happens when wealthy, powerful people are involved is pretty darn wide.

BretMyBeachHouse · Dec 27, 2022

RabidDawgClassic said:
I mean, if you have to ask….

Let’s just say the gap between what should happen and what usually happens when wealthy, powerful people are involved is pretty darn wide.

It is. But it's also a different world than it was a decade ago. Not many people more powerful than Harvey Weinstein, as an example.

I don't have a sense of what exactly might happen in a place like Austin when power meets progress.

SKane · Dec 27, 2022

A lawyer's favorite question - were you lying then or are you lying now?

Was she lying when she telephoned the police (doubtful - given the police report referencing the physical injuries). It is difficult to bite yourself on the arm, etc.

Or she is lying now to protect a bad guy? Much more likely Maybe they worked out a deal for him to give her money in return for retracting the allegation before a criminal case was filed.

alaskaillini · Dec 27, 2022

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SKane said:
A lawyer's favorite question - were you lying then or are you lying now?

Was she lying when she telephoned the police (doubtful - given the police report referencing the physical injuries). It is difficult to bite yourself on the arm, etc.

Or she is lying now to protect a bad guy? Much more likely Maybe they worked out a deal for him to give her money in return for retracting the allegation before a criminal case was filed.

A lawyer never asks that question. Just get the witness to admit they told two conflicting stories, and let the jury draw the obvious conclusion.