The Illinois AD Search

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That would probably be more accurate if we weren't about to hire a new AD, who will want/need to make his own hire.
Well, I meant there absolutely will be people pushing to extend him. We are all quite familiar with what those arguments will be. "You can't fire a coach after one year who just qualified for a bowl game. If we do no decent coach will come here!" "He's building a great foundation!" "An 11-13 record is very good by Illinios standards." "We can't do any better. Illinois is a coaching graveyard and nobody wants to come here."

Whether or not this stuff is convincing depends on who we hire as AD. But I'm pretty sure I know what Ron Guenther would do ...
 
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BZuppke

Plainfield
I agree some will make those arguments but Turner had a BTT under his belt and Zook a Rose Bowl. I don't think many were pushing to extend Beckman. Anyhow only RG gave guys so much time to fail.
 
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He certainly didn't hire him based on the in person interview!

I actually imagine Beckman did well in his interview, too. He has his many faults behind microphones (understatement) but he is very engaging one-on-one. I met Beckman for the first time at a meet and greet for the new staff right after he was hired at the Assembly Hall, and spent maybe 3-4 minutes talking with him (which was all pleasantries and there were hundreds of others there who did the same thing). I saw him again 6-7 months later at a coaches' caravan stop and he remembered meeting me and my name. I can't imagine how many people he met in that gap of time. I stayed in Beckman's corner until the near the end based on that interaction alone (the right decision was made, and it should've been made sooner).

I can almost guarantee Beckman had a pretty good interview, then Mike Thomas was sold on recommendations on from Gundy, Tressel, and Meyer. Mike Thomas is also pretty close with Jim Tressel, so his recommendation especially probably sealed the deal.

IMO, the roster wasn't as deep as he thought it would be initially, his '12 team just didn't buy in, and he probably just wasn't prepared for this job, ultimately. I never was bothered by him not having great defenses at OK State or Toledo, because nobody plays great defense in the Big XII or the MAC.

That's why I kind of get both sides of having or not having search firms. Obviously, it looks really bad when the person you hire turns out to be a spectacular disaster, but I seriously doubt anyone would've found anything that would suggest Beckman's tenure would go THAT poorly. He had a really impressive resume and the best of the best coaches vouching for him. Who wouldn't have listened to those three coaches about a candidate?
 
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matt1all

Chicago, IL
Graduated today and got to shake the infamous Barb Wilson's hand as I walked across the stage. She said congratulations. My brain spoke the words "thank you", but my heart screamed "I'm disappointed".
 
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IlliniCyborg

Edwardsville, IL
Graduated today and got to shake the infamous Barb Wilson's hand as I walked across the stage. She said congratulations. My brain spoke the words "thank you", but my heart screamed "I'm disappointed".

Congrats Matt.
 
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Kramer

Des Moines, Iowa
Graduated today and got to shake the infamous Barb Wilson's hand as I walked across the stage. She said congratulations. My brain spoke the words "thank you", but my heart screamed "I'm disappointed".

Congrats!
 
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Graduated today and got to shake the infamous Barb Wilson's hand as I walked across the stage. She said congratulations. My brain spoke the words "thank you", but my heart screamed "I'm disappointed".

Congratulations and best of luck to you :thumb:
:alma-mater::hailtotheorange::clappy:
 
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Graduated today and got to shake the infamous Barb Wilson's hand as I walked across the stage. She said congratulations. My brain spoke the words "thank you", but my heart screamed "I'm disappointed".

Congrats. Use that degree wisely. Live on 90% of what you make. Save the rest. Thank me later.:thumb:
 
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ijustkrushalot

Iowa Corridor
Graduated today and got to shake the infamous Barb Wilson's hand as I walked across the stage. She said congratulations. My brain spoke the words "thank you", but my heart screamed "I'm disappointed".

congrats... grad degree or do december graduates get to shake hands with the chancellor? I never bothered with the campus-wide ceremony in the spring.
 
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matt1all

Chicago, IL
congrats... grad degree or do december graduates get to shake hands with the chancellor? I never bothered with the campus-wide ceremony in the spring.


Right so in December there are just individual ceremonies by college. So I was at the LAS ceremony. Before being appointed interim chancellor she was (and still is I guess) the head of the LAS food chain.
 
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Illwinsagain

Cary, IL
What are the chances that anything interesting happens or comes up in this thread prior to 1/4?
 
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BZuppke

Plainfield
I was wondering if January 4 was picked for various reasons. Of course, it's the first business day after the New Year and Christmas. Also, most bowls are done so ADs from those schools can get beyond that. How much is going on during the holidays?
 
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What are the chances that anything interesting happens or comes up in this thread prior to 1/4?

I would bet that almost nothing happens prior to 1/4 given we are nearing Christmas, but then again this whole process has been completely wacko
 
#1,190      
What are the chances that anything interesting happens or comes up in this thread prior to 1/4?

Almost nil. Wilson has repeatedly said she wants to have a person to present to the BOT at the meeting on 1/21. She has also said she would not be held to that date, only that it is the intention to have the AD by then.

In light of that, I doubt we'll hear anything until shortly before that.
 
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I think the point is that by omitting or minimizing the relevant qualifications of the chair of the search committee, Ryan created the false impression that he is not qualified or is under qualified for the task. A little homework (which a journalist is supposed to do) shows that he actually IS qualified. But she didn't report that.

A while back, I posted the makeup of AD search committees at a couple other Big Ten schools. They looked a lot like our search committee, which leads me to the conclusion that this is the typical and appropriate makeup of such a committee.

I also question the idea that making initial contact with a candidate through their University email could jeopardize their position. That doesn't make logical sense. It is unlikely that a University monitors who its employees get emails from, so unless the AD told his boss, it's unlikely anyone would be aware. Also, ADs talk to other schools all the time. It's part of the job. So an email from another university would not raise a flag. Not any more than an email from a search firm. Probably less of one.

And what if the university did find out some one was trying to hire him away?

"Sorry, Bob, you are so good at your job that Illinois wants to hire you. Can't have that. You're fired." More likely the response would be to try to work out a raise to keep him.

My point is that even if the committee contacted a sitting AD it probably isn't as serious an indiscretion as it was presented to be. Because logic.

Honestly, it sounds to me like there is some disgruntled person in the AD who apparently has a contact in the press and is pointing out every little thing he thinks is a mistake.

The problems are not the result of the search committee. Nor is the the result of hiring a search firm or the delay in doing so. (Once Cubit was extended, timing became less critical.) The problem was the timing of Thomas dismissal combined with the inability to immediately hire the candidate they apparently were led to believe was available and interested. It all comes back to that. Wilson made one serious mistake, and that was to listen to whoever told her they could get George.
 
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ATL Chief

Jacksonville
The real issue everyone should be upset with (besides our dismal attendance, poor record, etc) is the timing and handling of the Thomas' firing and the new hire.

Nothing changed between Beckman firing and Thomas firing. They should've let him go WITH Beckman and had a competent replacement in office to start conducting the next head coaching search. This would've given them enough time to actually make a decent hire (or try to).

When they screwed the pooch on the timing with Thomas, ALL bets were off. It's tough to be more upset about anything that happened after that first domino fell. What else did you all expect? Competent/well thought out decisions to just start falling form the sky? Please...
 
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The real issue everyone should be upset with (besides our dismal attendance, poor record, etc) is the timing and handling of the Thomas' firing and the new hire.

Nothing changed between Beckman firing and Thomas firing. They should've let him go WITH Beckman and had a competent replacement in office to start conducting the next head coaching search. This would've given them enough time to actually make a decent hire (or try to).

When they screwed the pooch on the timing with Thomas, ALL bets were off. It's tough to be more upset about anything that happened after that first domino fell. What else did you all expect? Competent/well thought out decisions to just start falling form the sky? Please...

IMO, what you have stated in your post lends some credence to the theory some boosters insisted they had Rick George sewn up as next AD.

I agree Thomas should have been gone with Beckman. To me, the fact he wasn't indicated there were no plans to fire him. Even his firing, the wording to he effect of not finding him responsible but wanting to go in a new direction, sounds of a hasty decision.
 
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ijustkrushalot

Iowa Corridor
Right so in December there are just individual ceremonies by college. So I was at the LAS ceremony. Before being appointed interim chancellor she was (and still is I guess) the head of the LAS food chain.

oic... my department did their own graduation and only did it in the spring, so even if you hit the finish line in August or December you walked in May... (I was within a day or two of technically not graduating in August, stupid capstone, but I was walking in May either way because I was close enough)
 
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I understand that silence does not mean that nothing is happening, but it is amazing to me that this is completely silent. Hope they are doing something; something great.
 
#1,196      
Silence basically since search firm announcement which to me is a good thing. The search firm is doing a big part of job by communicating through back channels keeping things quiet.
 
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ILL in IA

Iowa City
I understand that silence does not mean that nothing is happening, but it is amazing to me that this is completely silent. Hope they are doing something; something great.
They are doing it the right way. Not every email and phone call is leaked out to someone. Running things the right way. What a concept.
 
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Illwinsagain

Cary, IL
They are doing it the right way. Not every email and phone call is leaked out to someone. Running things the right way. What a concept.

Agreed, the right way. Just not as interesting this way. Hopefully, the right AD is hired and our revenue sports teams get more interesting.
 
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IlliniOX08

Bucktown, Chicago
I understand that silence does not mean that nothing is happening, but it is amazing to me that this is completely silent. 1) Hope they are doing something; 2)something great.

1) Probably doing something.
2) Well..

No in all honesty, I'm glad it's been silence since the search firm announcement. This is the reason they should have been hired right from the start. Have all the internal, feel good, search committees you want. Let the pros handle the external stuff.
 
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TownieMatt

CU Expat
Chicago
1) Probably doing something.
2) Well..

No in all honesty, I'm glad it's been silence since the search firm announcement. This is the reason they should have been hired right from the start. Have all the internal, feel good, search committees you want. Let the pros handle the external stuff.

Totally agree. Of course the same people that complained about the lack of professionalism before the search firm will now complain about the cost of the search firm.
 
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