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Love it. Let's do it. Or Alma Otter. Whatever. Move on and join 2023.
Yet here you are, whining about people who you accuse of whining. The easiest way to not hear it is to not read it. You have a choice.Love it. Let's do it. Or Alma Otter. Whatever. Move on and join 2023.
Anything to not have to hear the Chief dead-enders whine about a 2 decades-gone stupid tradition that has no chance of ever coming back.
You think the people that whine about the Chief are going to stop when the university adopts the offspring of Woody Woodpecker and the Toronto Bluejay? The last 16 years will be nothing compared to the howling you're gonna get when that travesty shows up at a game.Love it. Let's do it. Or Alma Otter. Whatever. Move on and join 2023.
Anything to not have to hear the Chief dead-enders whine about a 2 decades-gone stupid tradition that has no chance of ever coming back.
Can we name him Chief?Bring on The Kingfisher. I too am tired of the chief whining. Ain’t coming back. Ever.
Bring on The Kingfisher. I too am tired of the chief whining. Ain’t coming back. Ever.
Anything to not have to hear the Chief dead-enders whine about a 2 decades-gone stupid tradition that has no chance of ever coming back.
Do you really expect an honest and straightforward answer to this question? I have my doubts...What behavior is it that you're expecting will change if and when a Kingfisher is adopted as the official mascot?
I mean, there are a lot of people in this very thread/on this board saying they will stop going to games/stop giving money/take some other route of lessening their involvement. So unless they are just being whiny blowhards, I'll take them at their word.What behavior is it that you're expecting will change if and when a Kingfisher is adopted as the official mascot?
Very few people will stop going to games or donating just because we add a mascot. Similarly, while some on this board think there will be a massive surge in attendance and interest if we add a mascot, I don't see that happening either. On the margins, having a dumb mascot like a kingfisher or otter makes us look a little sillier, but that's about itI mean, there are a lot of people in this very thread/on this board saying they will stop going to games/stop giving money/take some other route of lessening their involvement. So unless they are just being whiny blowhards, I'll take them at their word.
I think more than a few will stop donating. I've spoken with a number of Ifund members across the spectrum of giving, and there's a lot of opposition to the bird--and it isn't because of Chief, it's because the bird has nothing to do with the university, its traditions, or its alumni. It feels forced, and a fair number of those donors have said they'll reduce or stop their giving if the university adopts this bird. Maybe that's a lot of talk, but giving dropped off drastically when Chief was retired, so I tend to believe it.Very few people will stop going to games or donating just because we add a mascot. Similarly, while some on this board think there will be a massive surge in attendance and interest if we add a mascot, I don't see that happening either. On the margins, having a dumb mascot like a kingfisher or otter makes us look a little sillier, but that's about it
I don't want to speak for anyone else, but just to be clear, I absolutely do not think this. I think it could make the game environment slightly more fun for some people, could result in some fun merch, and give us something else to use for brand awareness. All good things, even in small doses.Similarly, while some on this board think there will be a massive surge in attendance and interest if we add a mascot, I don't see that happening either.
I have good friends who are Penn State and Michigan State alumni and fans and they’re having a field day, laughing about the potential of playing the Kingfishers (and with the nose of the. camel under the tent, Fighting Illini out the door is inevitable. And as far as that goes, why the heck not? It’s what “they” want.What behavior is it that you're expecting will change if and when a Kingfisher is adopted as the official mascot?
I'm very concerned that you believe people who don't agree with you are bitter and paranoid. It is not unreasonable to think that those who wanted the Chief retired also want "Fighting Illini" retired, and it is also not unreasonable to think that the acceptance of a specifically named mascot (i.e. "The Kingfisher") could lead to a push to rename the athletic teams to "The Kingfishers".I don't want to speak for anyone else, but just to be clear, I absolutely do not think this. I think it could make the game environment slightly more fun for some people, could result in some fun merch, and give us something else to use for brand awareness. All good things, even in small doses.
YMMV, but I also welcome the departure of donors whose vision of a successful athletic department is so blinkered and self-interested that they would tie their involvement in it to whether or not there is a mascot at a game.
My spicier take is that this actually is a step towards protecting the name "Fighting Illini" but you all can go back and read this thread and hear some extremely bitter and paranoid people tell me why it's just the opposite and part of a larger effort that "They" are undertaking to remove that, too.
I went back and looked, but didn't see anything apologies if I missed it, but what is the argument to be made that this would further protect the name "Fighting Illini"?I don't want to speak for anyone else, but just to be clear, I absolutely do not think this. I think it could make the game environment slightly more fun for some people, could result in some fun merch, and give us something else to use for brand awareness. All good things, even in small doses.
YMMV, but I also welcome the departure of donors whose vision of a successful athletic department is so blinkered and self-interested that they would tie their involvement in it to whether or not there is a mascot at a game.
My spicier take is that this actually is a step towards protecting the name "Fighting Illini" but you all can go back and read this thread and hear some extremely bitter and paranoid people tell me why it's just the opposite and part of a larger effort that "They" are undertaking to remove that, too.
I went back and looked, but didn't see anything apologies if I missed it, but what is the argument to be made that this would further protect the name "Fighting Illini"?
The Chief was jettisoned in 2010. Average home football attendance that year was 54,188. Successive home attendance since then:I mean, there are a lot of people in this very thread/on this board saying they will stop going to games/stop giving money/take some other route of lessening their involvement. So unless they are just being whiny blowhards, I'll take them at their word.
Your concern is noted/appreciated, but I'm not saying people are bitter and paranoid due to their disagreement with me, but rather noting that several (but not all) of the people I am finding myself arguing with seem to be bitter:I'm very concerned that you believe people who don't agree with you are bitter and paranoid.
When I was a child, we were taught to stand, clap along and sing along. If we didn't, we faced the consequences. That is the real issue IMO. Entitled parents teach entitled children that they can do whatever they want.
1) The history and tradition of Illinois football has been destroyed by the cowardice of the University.
2) The current composition of the student body, created by the greed of the University's administration, has, if not ruined, severely impaired, the spirit of the student body participation and enthusiasm for football.
Enough is never enough with activists
Who funded the kingfisher costume that has been prancing around campus. It was professionally designed and constructed, and certainly cost thousands of dollars from conception to completion. Let’s not kid ourselves. The money for that came from the university, and most likely goes all the way up to the chancellor’s office. I don’t for a minute believe this is sort of groundswell of student enthusiasm.
or Oskee Bow Wow ?I had a great thought at the Ottawa game Friday night when I looked up at the scoreboard at center court and saw the pic of a German Sheppard..
I say we get a German Sheppard and name him Oske Wow Wow.. Works for me and isnt some stupid Otter or Bird
Guess we could name him Chief for short
Your concern is noted/appreciated, but I'm not saying people are bitter and paranoid due to their disagreement with me, but rather noting that several (but not all) of the people I am finding myself arguing with seem to be bitter:
and/or paranoid: