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Doubtful the nurse was in the bar. So they one other? I didn't catch that.
Just speculation, but the alleged incident, if true by the accuser's account, may not have been quite so obvious.
As Kansas defines it, rape entails engaging in nonconsensual intercourse in circumstances when the victim is overcome by force or fear.
So there may not have been any kind of violent scuffle but the accuser may claim to have submitted to advances out of fear.
Fear is tricky because it's a feeling and telling someone how they should or shouldn't feel in a situation is a slippery slope. It's also difficult for a witness to testify as to how a person felt in a given moment. And fear isn't necessarily exclusive to fear of violence. It could mean fear of losing a job, fear of having your reputation ruined, etc.
I've taken several of those mandatory sexual conduct trainings for work and school over the past 4-5 years and the way the subject is being taught today puts a huge burden of proof on the accused to prove consent. And it offers a wildly broad definition for what isn't consensual and conversely an extremely narrow defintion of what is.
Knowing someone who has been through the process, if I were to hazard a guess, the nurse would be documenting any and all physical trauma (i.e. bruising, irritation, swelling, scratches, etc.) during the check along with noting the person's emotional state, and then to pass onto police whether in the nurse's experience if what the nurse identified is consistent with someone who has been the victim of sexual assault or at the very least confirming the probabilityof sexual contact.
redwingillini11
White and Sixth
- North Aurora
If you are asking is it common to be charged with a greater and a lesser offense for the same act, yes.
Then in this case I immediately have reasonable doubt anyway. EDIT: the report clearly states "use of force" does it not?
illini55
- The Villages, FL
Very common. The greater charge provides leverage and the lesser charge provides a fallback position to save face if the case turns out to be weak. We simply do not know what "this type of case" means, given the dearth of facts at this point.
I live downtown Chicago,Illinois. From my research on this case I can guarantee you if this happened in Chicago charges would not have be brought against Terrance. Suzanne Valdez the Douglas County District Attorney is a straight wack job . In doing my research in Douglas County, Kansas criminal court cases getting convictions on these types of cases are her thing. It seems like anyone who accuses someone of any type of sexual assault allegations her office is going to charge the person. I think she has some type of mandate for these allegations. Valdez is currently under fire from her own colleagues. They are trying to get her law license suspended https://lawrencekstimes.com/2023/12/20/valdez-hrg-day3/
Fighter of the Nightman
- Chicago, IL
We already VERY much have a “guilty until proven innocent” attitude when it comes to the public after someone is charged, unfortunately. Your Average Joe sees someone charged with a crime and assumes he’s guilty … people just don’t consider “innocent until proven guilty” to be inherently noble from an interpersonal perspective, if they even fully appreciate it as a legal principle.
Make the alleged crime rape … and it gets worse. People keep saying how little we know, but if you START with the presumption of TJ’s innocence (as I believe you should), what little information we have so far has not done much to make him look too guilty. Obviously, January 18th might crash this site, because we’ll hopefully learn a lot then.
IlliniKat91
- Chicago, IL
Thanks for the clarification. I'm just curious about the kit because they asked for DNA from TSJ. Not sure why they'd ask for that other than a precaution if the story that's been circulating is true.
pruman91
- Paducah, Ky
I have read 4-5 times about the girl having been involved in multiple scenario's like what she has accused TSJ of.....Is this really true ??......seems to me there should be some account or hard copy that would say the answer if she has done this multiple times in accusing someone of this kind of scene.......
If it is true she has done this multiple times and there is evidence of that fact then I could see a way for TSJ to rejoin the Illini if TSJ's counsel could prove that this is a false accusation and press charges against HER..........JMHO , as I know very little about what goes on in Kansas and probably am better off because of that........
If it is true she has done this multiple times and there is evidence of that fact then I could see a way for TSJ to rejoin the Illini if TSJ's counsel could prove that this is a false accusation and press charges against HER..........JMHO , as I know very little about what goes on in Kansas and probably am better off because of that........
This is wrong on so many levels....
Very important for everyone to read this …
The other may or may not have been someone that actually saw anything. Just pointing out there were a couple witnesses listed.
I'm not sure I'd want his kind of help...
I don’t think anyone has a problem saying that false accusations are horrible. And when an accusation proves to be false, there should be harsh penalties. However, at least for me, it was you saying that false accusations happen 3x more than real accusations now. That is just not backed up by any legitimate studies and to say so is very misleading and dangerous. Especially if you truly are in the psych/counseling field and regularly deal with these situations, then you really need to better inform yourself as your involvement has real consequences.
Also, more generally, to everyone saying this was in a crowded bar, so any force would have been noticeable, any force used can be very subtle. In fact, in my understanding, it could have even just been the threat of force. So certainly doesn’t mean that people around would have noticed anything.
Nonetheless, none of us have really a substantial FACTS. We have plenty of rumors that may or not be true. But we certainly should not be jumping to any conclusions based on unsubstantiated rumors.
TSJ may be innocent. I certainly hope he is for all parties involved. But he may also be guilty. We just don’t know yet and to assume one way or the other at this point is inappropriate.
If anyone knows a thing or two about how to deal with a player accused of something in Lawrence it’s Bill Self.
This is completely accurate. Was just pointing out there were witnesses listed in the complaint.
You'd think that the doners in Lawrence don't just donate to athletics.. grimey politician's coffers need filled.
I think you underestimate the reach of a HOF coach at Kansas for an incident that occurred within campus limits.
Eh, it's giving "out of the frying pan into the fire" vibes, unless helping just means passing info between people or giving names of potential attorneys.
At the same time his status is what gives him a chance of redemption with how all of this could play out. He has a tremendous amount of people that can vouch for his character. If this turns out to be a he said, she said incident, he can come out of this with less damage done than the average joe. Yes, it will hurt his stock but he’d still have a chance as a pro somewhere. There’s hope even if it might not be in an Illini jersey anymore. His future off our court is way more important and what should ultimately matter if he’s innocent. In turn, how the program supports him will impact future recruiting. We can’t control what a player does on their own but how we respond is more telling for the parents of these recruits. So far, it’s being handled the best way it can be from that perspective.
I would. The man has been getting out of trouble for decades
It can be from any object by thier law.. you shouldn't need to much imagination on how to get to the process. Keep in mind the illinets are over dressed to go out now a'days.
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