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I did not watch and only read the summary, and this makes much more sense (talking in general re: process). But my questions remain as to process and what and how panel get info.
Your black-and-white view of a complex situation with the most important details missing to all of us and your expectation to find unbiased opinion on an Illinois sports message board are naive at best. You are making just as much of an uninformed judgment against TSJ (and others) as the unreasonable (in your opinion) bias in TSJ's favor that you describe. If you were not expecting a bunch of Illinois fans to be in passionate disbelief that our best player is in this position and were looking for spirited & unbiased debate on the law in Kansas, you came to the wrong place.
I don't know about anyone else, but this whole thing just makes me so...sad. No matter what happened, or the potential outcome, I just find it depressing.
As a dad of two daughters, I have to think about the young lady involved. If her intentions here are pure, and something bad happened, it's the kind of thing that leaves a mark forever.
If it's just conjured up BS, or something legal pursued because the opportunity was there, then that's just as bad. You're threatening a young man's future career and earning potential. This kind of accusation will follow him forever.
And yes, it potentially upends our season, but that's a third more distant disappointment to me.
I don't have the facts. I hear all the things going around and it sounds like TSJ might be getting exploited here. And that just makes me shake my head. I've always thought he was a great representative for us and I want that to continue to be true.
The one thing that is certain, for all of us including those involved, is that this purgatory we sit in as we wait truly sucks.
As a dad of two daughters, I have to think about the young lady involved. If her intentions here are pure, and something bad happened, it's the kind of thing that leaves a mark forever.
If it's just conjured up BS, or something legal pursued because the opportunity was there, then that's just as bad. You're threatening a young man's future career and earning potential. This kind of accusation will follow him forever.
And yes, it potentially upends our season, but that's a third more distant disappointment to me.
I don't have the facts. I hear all the things going around and it sounds like TSJ might be getting exploited here. And that just makes me shake my head. I've always thought he was a great representative for us and I want that to continue to be true.
The one thing that is certain, for all of us including those involved, is that this purgatory we sit in as we wait truly sucks.
Lawyers, please help me out. Is it common to be charged with a felony and/or a misdemeanor in these types of cases?
Josh said that when he became UI AD, he saw what had happened at other schools and decided he didn’t want that to happen at Illinois. And that’s why he set up the panel. MOST other universities DON’T have a procedure set up and when things happen, the improv and the result usually isn’t very funny.
A orime example is what happened at Penn State. JoPa was allowed to work completely outside of any review, handling all matters like this on his own. Things went too too far, however, and what happened, happened. You can easily come up with similar situations…most of which cost the the DA’s job, reputation, and career. In addition to everything else, it was self protection.
RichardKeenesCousin
Richard Keene's Cousin
I dont believe you
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RichardKeenesCousin
Richard Keene's Cousin
I laughed out loud on this one.
My friend, yes, sexual assualt is deplorable and I condem it completely.
In a world that is championing behind victims and accusers, nothing wrong with counter balancing the issue by standing with those who have their lives devestated by false or ambigious allegations.
TSJ may go from a "made man" NBA player to someone who may now struggle to find an identity and provide for himself and his loved ones for the rest of his life. Very traumatic indeed.
My further zeal is being compounded by a Kansas DA that was talking about felony rape(as did every news outlet, TSJ will never recover) and now what we're hearing is that it was innappropriate touching in a very public place. Even the innappropriate part is a "he said, she said". Unfortunately the court of public opinion has already read the headlines and the worst case scenario has been etched in their minds.
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Apparently not as there was hundreds of people there and they can't find even one witness. I've seen comments such as "well it was probably really dark in there" or "it could've been too loud to overhear a scuffle or argument". Well, come on... A man is forcibly raping a girl in a public place and as a juror if there's not one single witness, reasonable doubt begins to seep in. I'm sure out of 12 people, I wouldn't be the only one to . If there is some nuance to the story where the girl was isolated to a storage room or something like that, then the situation becomes more believable.
“rape; sexual intercourse without consent and use of force.”- is the charge and what everyone reads in the headlines.
Wrong. They will if there is new information to consider.
IlliniKat91
- Chicago, IL
I said it in the previous thread and I'll say it again: it's not fight or flight, but really fight, flight, or freeze. Some people freeze instinctually instead of fighting. A lack of a scene isn't any kind of evidence for the defense
Edit: you're also dealing with a loud bar with a high proportion of intoxicated individuals. They may not notice, even if there was some kind of outburst.
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I mean, Kansas defines the "inappropriate touching" you're describing as felony rape (FYI, the federal rape definition would also cover this). That's why the DA was talking about it that way. And at this point, none of us know enough facts about the situation to say it's simply a "he said, she said". We have no idea what physical evidence exists. We have no idea who all the witnesses may be. We have no idea if there is video. We have no idea if there is communication between TJ and the accuser. I sincerely hope TJ didn't do this. I'd love for him to be able to play for the team again this year. But people on here are making a LOT of assumptions based off of the very little information any of us actually know supplemented by internet rumors.
Big Jack
- Decatur
No way! Really?
That fact that unaffiliated third parties like Bill Self are coming out willing to risk it all is telling you all that you need to know about this case.
There are 2 witnesses listed on page 2 of the formal complaint. One appears to be a nurse.
Now there’s that “gray area” everyone’s been talking about.
IlliniKat91
- Chicago, IL
I wonder if they automatically do a rape kit, even if all that's reported is digital penetration. Not working in healthcare, I have no idea what the procedure is.
A witness can be a person that says “yeah she told me he did it.” Doesn’t mean they saw the event.
If TSJ is cleared of all charges, he should never say a word to our local press that had to get the clicks and views by posting Rape everywhere. Why did they just go right to besmurchment.. they could have used alleged in the headlines at least.
I have yet to see a headline calling him a rapist... everything I've seen says something about a rape charge or being charged with rape. I'm not sure what else you want them to say. That's the crime he is charged with in Kansas.
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