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JulesWinnfield

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If you are under criminal investigation by a police department you are under no obligation to inform your employer. An investigation is just that an investigation. Lots of time nothing comes out of a criminal investigation . University of Illinois could have been sued by Terrance Shannon if no charges were filed and they suspended him. If your employer fires/suspended you because you are under investigation by the police for and incident that’s not related to your job and happened outside of work you have every right to sue your employer
 
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IlliniKat91

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He said the warrant was when they became aware that Shannon was actually being charged. If someone files something but doesn't share that with the school how in the hell is that "weak"? I think you are looking to place blame for some reason on Whitman when the lack of communication from the prosecution/Lawrence police seems much more the issue. Whitman said in the press conference that the first time they saw the complaint was after the warrant was issued correct? Nothing indicates the school handled this poorly. So quit trying to create something that isn't there. You know NOTHING that indicates a poor response.
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And that a staffer had to pull the documents off social media. They couldn't even get a copy off a public records site, apparently, which boggles the mind.
 
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aaeismacgychel

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cjw1901 said:
No, the charges were filed on 12/5. Shannon was suspended on 12/28, the day after the warrant was issued on 12/27. So, in fact, U of I did play Shannon in four basketball games (on 12/5, 12/9, 12/17, and 12/22) AFTER the charges were filed. Whitman's only reply to this in the press conference on 12/29 was that he hadn't seen the filed charging document, which seems kind of weak considering the University already knew he that LPD was talking to Shannon and his defense lawyers about an incident, and, that Shannon was the subject of that investigation which, in Whitman's terminology, involving "inappropriate touching".
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Huh? Did you listen to the press conference? Josh said the university never received any written information on the crime including a police report number let alone the seriousness of the crime from the Lawrence Police Department despite repeated attempts using the C-U police department as an intermediary. The only thing he said that was communicated by Lawrence was a verbal communication saying it involved some sort of inappropriate touching. He also said that Champaign was never even made aware of a charging document until they saw it on social media.

Unless that is all one big lie, something that that the Lawrence police department will almost certainly immediately respond to, and which would destroy Josh's and the school's integrity, what exactly is Josh supposed to do? Mindread the charges? Consult an oracle? I mean hell, it doesn't even seem like Kansas acted on the charges for weeks. How should the Illinois athletic department be expected to figure this out and act faster with no information?

And if you think it's weird that a police department might be extraordinarily unhelpful and uncommunicative, I just don't know what to tell you.
 
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jacekpardol

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cjw1901 said:
No, the charges were filed on 12/5. Shannon was suspended on 12/28, the day after the warrant was issued on 12/27. So, in fact, U of I did play Shannon in four basketball games (on 12/5, 12/9, 12/17, and 12/22) AFTER the charges were filed. Whitman's only reply to this in the press conference on 12/29 was that he hadn't seen the filed charging document, which seems kind of weak considering the University already knew he that LPD was talking to Shannon and his defense lawyers about an incident, and, that Shannon was the subject of that investigation which, in Whitman's terminology, involving "inappropriate touching".
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Some of you are just itching to pickup that torch and pitchfork.
 
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Battle89

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InDaAZ said:
Save this gif in your back pocket…
It will be quite useful on this board, especially in game threads. 🤪

btw, All in the Family was the BEST!
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The multiple spins really made me laugh, that plus the bourbon plus the FDU game makes me feel a little better...
 
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cjw1901 said:
No, the charges were filed on 12/5. Shannon was suspended on 12/28, the day after the warrant was issued on 12/27. So, in fact, U of I did play Shannon in four basketball games (on 12/5, 12/9, 12/17, and 12/22) AFTER the charges were filed. Whitman's only reply to this in the press conference on 12/29 was that he hadn't seen the filed charging document, which seems kind of weak considering the University already knew he that LPD was talking to Shannon and his defense lawyers about an incident, and, that Shannon was the subject of that investigation which, in Whitman's terminology, involving "inappropriate touching".
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No one here knew about the charging document on Dec 5. I’m more concerned about the 22 day delay between the charge and the warrant issue, which is not typical. No one here heard the rape allegation until Wednesday. Until then it was only inappropriate touching.
 
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FloridaMan

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Hold on, we had a legal beagle here yesterday telling us the system has checks and balances to prevent these sorts of shenanigans from happening. We need him here to set us straight. This kind of thing happens far too often these days. From very shortly after the news came out, something has seemed "off" with these charges. As the story has come out, it just feels like the DA's office has been overzealous with the charges. Also, the complaint was filed Dec 5 but not communicated until the 28th? What kind of BS is that? Maybe more details will emerge, and maybe what we've heard are leaks from TJ's/UofI's side, but it seems like this is an all-too-familiar case of stretching to make a case. Hopeful the whole story comes out soon whatever it may be. In the meantime, JW, BU, et al have handled this like pros.
 
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Ghost77

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aaeismacgychel said:
Huh? Did you listen to the press conference? Josh said the university never received any written information on the crime including a police report number let alone the seriousness of the crime from the Lawrence Police Department despite repeated attempts using the C-U police department as an intermediary. The only thing he said that was communicated by Lawrence was a verbal communication saying it involved some sort of inappropriate touching. He also said that Champaign was never even made aware of a charging document until they saw it on social media.

Unless that is all one big lie, something that that the Lawrence police department will almost certainly immediately respond to, and which would destroy Josh's and the school's integrity, what exactly is Josh supposed to do? Mindread the charges? Consult an oracle? I mean hell, it doesn't even seem like Kansas acted on the charges for weeks. How should the Illinois athletic department be expected to figure this out and act faster with no information?

And if you think it's weird that a police department might be extraordinarily unhelpful and uncommunicative, I just don't know what to tell you.
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I would like to understand what happens when charges are filed. Specifically, if a DA files charges against someone, do they not inform the person being charged and/or their lawyer? Seems odd to me that someone would be charged but not given any notice of this, but then again I'm not a lawyer and have never been involved in a situation like this.
 
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Big Jack

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illini0440 said:
Kenan Thompson Reaction GIF by Saturday Night Live

Well for one he was suspended indefinitely as soon as the charges were officially filed….2 do you really think they would play a kid if they didn’t know 100% he was innocent?

Josh said the DIA doesn’t conduct investigations on their own….and you all bought that line? Lol
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voiceofreason93

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cjw1901 said:
No, the charges were filed on 12/5. Shannon was suspended on 12/28, the day after the warrant was issued on 12/27. So, in fact, U of I did play Shannon in four basketball games (on 12/5, 12/9, 12/17, and 12/22) AFTER the charges were filed. Whitman's only reply to this in the press conference on 12/29 was that he hadn't seen the filed charging document, which seems kind of weak considering the University already knew he that LPD was talking to Shannon and his defense lawyers about an incident, and, that Shannon was the subject of that investigation which, in Whitman's terminology, involving "inappropriate touching".
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My question is was the document that was filed on 12/5 public knowledge? Or when did it become public knowledge? We all know when the the arrest warrant came out, but when did TSJ's attorney know about the charges?

I think that's crucial to know and then we can all jump back in and discuss how it was handled.
 
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cjw1901

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04-05 said:
No one here knew about the charging document on Dec 5. I’m more concerned about the 22 day delay between the charge and the warrant issue, which is not typical. No one here heard the rape allegation until Wednesday. Until then it was only inappropriate touching.
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For Josh Witman and posters here going with the no-one-knew defense, please test this out the next time you talk to police or a court. Tip: It won't get you very far.

Regarding U of I athletic policies, it's obviously not quite the same as our obligation (independent of someone informing us) to comply with the law. But, in the similar way, I feel Whitman should have actively tried to follow his own policies. Since he knew that Shannon was the subject of a police investigation, then he and his department should have been in direct frequent communication with the LPD and, they should not, in his own words, have "funneled all communications" through the U of I campus police or sat passively waiting for them to notify him that it was time to suspend Shannon (which is obviously not the LPD's job). If Whitman and his staff aren't staying informed on whether charges are filed, then IMHO Whitman is simply not doing his job to monitor what is going on with U of I athletes and whether they should remain eligible to play for the University. A Douglas County court issuing the warrant for Shannon's arrest does add information to the complaint (yet another confirming assessment of it), but it does not change the fact that is Whitman's job to stay informed of critical legal steps which have been taken against U of I athletes and follow department procedures once those steps have occurred. That fact that Whitman hemmed and hawed at the follow-up question at the PC, showed, in my opinion, that he knew that this was a goof and that, in fact, according to his own policy, Shannon should not have played in these four games after the criminal charges were filed against him, exactly as several reporters at the PC implied.
 
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