Agreed. May not be the intent, but the posts come off as very “edgelordy.” And it’s very disappointing that these posts are some of the most liked in the whole thread.
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I fear no peace in our time.
While I'm still awaiting due process, everything does seem to line up with the football player assumption rumor. There is so much you can do sexually in public. If, big if at that, this is all there is to it, then it is truly tragic that a serious word like rape would ever be spoken with TJ.
IlliniKat91
- Chicago, IL
Calling what you're told false accusations are that rate is wild. It's almost always so much muddier than that.
Take, for instance, a couple that engages in consensual intercourse. During it, one partner begins to panic and asks the other to slow down. They do. Then it becomes overwhelming and they ask that they stop. They do.
Legally, the second partner has done exactly what's expected of them. They've done their best to act as a caring partner and shouldn't be held legally responsible. Unfortunately, that's not how the first partner perceives it. They're traumatized because their partner didn't stop quickly enough. Legally speaking, it appears to be a false accusation but the reality is that very real damage has been done. One person feels honestly violated and the other will always wonder if they forced someone they care about into something they weren't ready for. (This is why communication when having sex, particularly with a new partner, is so important, but I digress.)
I've watched someone live that experience. It's heartbreaking to see that play out in real time. These cases are rarely so clean cut as "x is making an accusation to ruin y's life." It often comes to two wildly different perceptions of the same incident and is left to a jury to decide whose version has more standing.
I'm not saying that's what happened in Lawrence. I just wish things like this were seen with more nuance than they seem to be.
Route47
- Illinois
Yup, don't go to bar. Don't socialize. Sheesh
Route47
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Wow. Just Wow.
Prosecutor asks panel to suspend Douglas County DA’s law license after day 3 of disciplinary hearing
The prosecutor handling a complaint against Douglas County DA Suzanne Valdez asked a disciplinary panel Wednesday to consider whether they believe the testimony of Valdez and her deputy, or that of the other 13 witnesses who testified.lawrencekstimes.com
Maybe I heard or understood wrong?
But I understood it that the suspension was NOT the "AD's suspension". The suspension is/was triggered "automatically" when evidence above a certain threshold is presented (and charges filed would meet this threshold - right or wrong) "as per the UI policy".
Also, part of said policy is that this 3 person panel (independent of the athletic department) would rule on keeping the automatic suspension or reinstating athlete within 48 hours as part of the natural process of the policy.
So, it could go either way.
I, like you, would like to see how this panel ruled in the "dozens of other cases" this policy has been used for in the last several years that JW referred to in the PC
I am also concerned that one (at least) of the panel persons is from UI academia. Granted, they are from the Law School which makes sense on paper. But with MANY UI academia "hating" UI sports, hard telling what biases may exist? But that is another debate.
Did TSJ pull a Sammy Sosa?
Either way, he's a funny poster.
I'm afraid that even if these three academics are the biggest UI sports fans on campus, if they are the typical university administrative personnel in 2023 America, then there is virtually no chance that they won't side with the accuser.
Illini in OC
In. The. Alley.
The panel was appointed by the Chancellor as part of the (damn impressive) overall system JW created.
I assume/hope panel members have been vetted to confirm a fair/balanced/appropriate perspective and understanding of the role and associated responsibilities. i.e. "what is best for the University and is truly fair to the student-athletes involved?"
There are a gazillion considerations here - some in the present, some in the near term and some in the long term. I trust the panel will decide and provide excellent rationale for their decision. In any case, people will have every possible reaction - "too lenient," "too harsh", "too shortsighted - what about this?", etc.
This is an ugly situation and will continue to be ugly no matter what the panel decides.
I'm just happy that JW is at the helm while we navigate this.
Illini in OC
In. The. Alley.
I'm guessing that the assessment/punishment system JW put in place represents current best practice among top universities. As such, I would expect similar structure/process/policies at other schools. This generally-accepted approach would somewhat insulate these institutions from accusations of "homer" or other bias and accelerate the post-decision healing.
Anyone have any informed insight on how the rest of the world is set up to handle this kind of stuff? Are we a leader? An outlier?
Anyone have any informed insight on how the rest of the world is set up to handle this kind of stuff? Are we a leader? An outlier?
I really want to come to a different conclusion but I don’t see any way the committee decides to let him play under the current circumstances. It’s not a matter of them “siding with the (alleged) victim” or declaring him guilty without due process. It’s that they aren’t going to be in a position to say they know better than the legal system that says there is adequate cause to believe he may be guilty of a serious crime. Even if they and fans believe accusing him of rape under these circumstances is absurd. It would go against what I think most any college would do and be a really bad look. I know appearances is the wrong standard when it comes to a young man’s life but I think that’s the reality. Otherwise you set the standard that a university can decide they know better than a police and DA that have more information.
I hope I’m wrong.
I hope I’m wrong.
People really shouldn’t talk about broad societal issues, especially ones as serious as sexual assault, solely on the basis of their personal experience.
I can’t believe that this still needs to be said, but regardless of what happens with TSJ, the percent of false accusation of sexual assault is exceedingly small.
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Refraining from speculation and focusing on panel process (and strategy): from Werner's article https://247sports.com/college/illin...llinois-fighting-illini-basketball-224171267/
"What’s next
"What’s next
- Within 48 hours of Shannon’s suspension, a three-member Conduct Panel — ...— must review the suspension and make a decision of whether to uphold or lift the suspension. ... Shannon can waive the panel review or request a delay in the convening of the panel.
- If the panel upholds the suspension, the suspension will hold until legal resolution of Shannon’s case. Shannon’s first court appearance is scheduled for Jan. 18 at 3 p.m. in Douglas County, "
I think your understanding is correct.
To your second point, a high level faculty member from the law department is exactly who should be on a review panel like this give the severity of the situation.
They can reconvene if new information comes to light. This was clarified last night.
JW explicitly said in the press conference that the panel can re-evaluate the decision any time new information becomes available.
From what we've learned over the past 2 days.. all you short kings saying you're 6' stay out the bar in Kansas.
theNewGuy
- Dallas, TX
It’s so obvious to me that Hunter Dickinson and Luke DeCock conspired to take down IL.
Luke caught wind of the story way back in september, which is why he keeps us unranked. He then got Hunter involved to pay the DA to actually file the charges.
Why might they do this? Hunter desperately wants to beat Illinois and the only chance of that is to remove their best player.
But why Luke? He was denied admission to UIUC, and has held a grudge ever since.
Hopefully this brought some of yall a chuckle in this obviously difficult time. Let’s hope we get an answer sooner rather than later
Luke caught wind of the story way back in september, which is why he keeps us unranked. He then got Hunter involved to pay the DA to actually file the charges.
Why might they do this? Hunter desperately wants to beat Illinois and the only chance of that is to remove their best player.
But why Luke? He was denied admission to UIUC, and has held a grudge ever since.
Hopefully this brought some of yall a chuckle in this obviously difficult time. Let’s hope we get an answer sooner rather than later
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