TSJ Thread

[RML]

I just can't see the panel reinstating him unless both charges are dropped

What does "zero tolerance" mean? To me, it implies that all transgressions, however seemingly minor, will be punished. To me, HOW they will be punished is a separate issue. I don't think "zero tolerance" necessarily has to mean that all alleged transgressions must be punished by kicking the athlete out of the program.

I could imagine an athlete being charged with sexual assault for patting a girl on the rear. I'm not trying to set up an equivalence here, just trying to illustrate why it might be reasonable to keep the fact that any alleged offense will be punished separate from the issue of what the punishment will be.

If the account that is going around is accurate, and the incident only occured after some consensual fooling around, and after an exchange of numbers, a one-month suspension, with Terrance's NIL money for that time going to local rape education/prevention programs, might strike me as reasonable. But all my kids are boys, so I'll never appreciate the angst of raising girls.

 

[lstewart53x3]

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To preface, I know nothing about this case outside of what is posted here.

Its possible though that the female thought TJ was somebody else, gave consent, then later realized he wasn’t who she thought he was and went to the police and that eventually lead to the force/fear charge.

So the charge might not be misrepresentation, but the situation might have been misrepresentation.

I have no idea if this happened or not. This is just a scenario where it could be a misrepresentation issue, even though the charge differs.

 

[Oldskoolkoach]

Dan needs to put you on payroll

Perhaps he is....

 

[illiniballknower]

To preface, I know nothing about this case outside of what is posted here.

Its possible though that the female thought TJ was somebody else, gave consent, then later realized he wasn’t who she thought he was and went to the police and that eventually lead to the force/fear charge.

So the charge might not be misrepresentation, but the situation might have been misrepresentation.

I have no idea if this happened or not. This is just a scenario where it could be a misrepresentation issue, even though the charge differs.

Ok, that is a lot different than "mis representation falls under rape in Kansas law" when the actual charge has nothing to do with it

 

[Champaign88]

So then this goes back to the tweet that first broke the fingering in the bar story.

Basically, the act was consensual but then she found out he wasn’t a football player and was no longer okay with it.

But this type of misrepresentation is not illegal, which is then why UI is saying that the charge is BS, because she was okay with the act, just not okay that he wasn’t actually a football player… but that is not a crime.

 

[illiniguy24]

THIS. ISN’T. A. CASE. OF .MISREPRESENTATION

Stop yelling

 

[Idea Gardener]

They have a lot more info and evidence than the general public.

Stating the obvious, but if they reinstate him based on information the general public doesn't know, Illinois will be grilled for details. Just like the rest of this situation, it looks worse the further away you are.

 

[Route47]

How does “inappropriate touching” in a bar lead to a rape charge when the Kansas statutes specifically mention “sexual intercourse” in the wording? Is there an allegation that something happened after the bar too?

If you read the statute, fingering can be rape.

 

[Loyalillini10]

If you read the statute, fingering can be rape.

This is just a case of the op not reading.

 

[BackThatPassUp]

YES.IT.IS.

No it's not. If that's the premise of the DA then they're wrong too. The charge is forceable rape anyway so misrepresentation is not an element of that provision of the statute.

 

[Sutton_Place]

So then this goes back to the tweet that first broke the fingering in the bar story.

Basically, the act was consensual but then she found out he wasn’t a football player and was no longer okay with it.

But this type of misrepresentation is not illegal, which is then why UI is saying that the charge is BS, because she was okay with the act, just not okay that he wasn’t actually a football player… but that is not a crime.

Sorry for asking a really dumb, stupid, vulgar, inappropriate question...

Why fingering by a football player is ok but the same act by a basketball player is not ok.

Again, my 100% sincere apologies for raising this!

 

[illini0440]

Last thing I’m going to say since some of you seem to know exactly why TJ was charged….all the sexual acts were consensual when the happened, TJ in no way forced his hand down a females pants nor did he force hers down his…... I won’t be commenting on this til TJ has his day in court or some other resolution happens.

 

[Snoopy]

I know that in the past, and likely currently in many places, men in power have swept accusations of sexual assault under the rug to protect their or their institutions reputation. That is not the case here. Josh acknowledged the accusation. TSJ showed up in court as requested by the warrant. No one is running away from the accusation or the investigation. If TSJ needs to be punished the law in Kansas will see that it happens. One of the charges has a 10+ year in jail penalty.

What I don't understand is the need of some posters to punish TSJ prior to a conviction, that reeks of vigilantism. And if separating TSJ from the school is all about U of I protecting its reputation, that is really just the other side of the same coin evil men have used for centuries to justify ignoring accusations of sexual assault. Sacrificing the rights of an individual to the some misguided view of the institutions needs.

 

[BalloonsTheElephant]

Last thing I’m going to say since some of you seem to know exactly why TJ was charged….all the sexual acts were consensual when the happened, TJ in no way forced his hand down a females pants nor did he force hers down his…... I won’t be commenting on this til TJ has his day in court or some other resolution happens.

Thanks loyalty

 

[Sutton_Place]

Last thing I’m going to say since some of you seem to know exactly why TJ was charged….all the sexual acts were consensual when the happened, TJ in no way forced his hand down a females pants nor did he force hers down his…... I won’t be commenting on this til TJ has his day in court or some other resolution happens.

Thank you! Let justice prevail.

 

[State of Chicago]

Last thing I’m going to say since some of you seem to know exactly why TJ was charged….all the sexual acts were consensual when the happened, TJ in no way forced his hand down a females pants nor did he force hers down his…... I won’t be commenting on this til TJ has his day in court or some other resolution happens.

I guess we can all stop refreshing the page. Good night.

 

[RabidDawgClassic]

Sorry for asking a really dumb, stupid, vulgar, inappropriate question...

Why fingering by a football player is ok but the same act by a basketball player is not ok.

Again, my 100% sincere apologies for raising this!

The presumption, based solely on one text/tweet which may or may not be accurate, is that TSJ and the accuser engaged in a consensual act. She thought he was a football player but when she found out he was a basketball player, she felt violated.

Again, this is based only on a text/tweet that has been neither confirmed nor debunked. This version is not represented in any way in the official charge.

 

[Illinoise]

Thanks loyalty

Running off an “insider”, who then won’t tell us what a 4 star point guard recruit wore to practice does piss me off.

In this case, I think it’s best for the insider to pack it in and let this play out.

I’m as interested as anyone as to how this all plays out, but these stakes are too high for all this random speculation.

 

[Noblesville Illini]

Or someone decants what they wined about.....

Just Stop! Or this is going to turn into a 400 page thread strictly discussing food, restaurants, and bourbon! THAT’s never happened before!

 

[aaeismacgychel]

Then you haven’t….mis representation falls under rape in Kansas law

As I've tried doing up til now, I will continue waiting until this is officially corroborated, but I'll be real, if this is what this charge is really about, not the actual action, but the possible misrepresentation of who TSJ was, this is not only completely messed up and flies in the face of what the justice system is actually supposed to be there for, but it strains credulity that a police department and DA would actually pursue this allegation with formal charges. It would be entirely nonsensical.

I guess the one question I'd have is that if there is evidence confirming that some sexual action took place in the public bar, as you may be suggesting, is there concern that this may become a sticking point for the panel as that would show some level of impropriety (even under the argument of it being consensual) and there would be a higher associated risk of misdemeanor?

 

[Deep]

Last thing I’m going to say since some of you seem to know exactly why TJ was charged….all the sexual acts were consensual when the happened, TJ in no way forced his hand down a females pants nor did he force hers down his…... I won’t be commenting on this til TJ has his day in court or some other resolution happens.

I think so many dumbasses here don't recognize the severity of this issue.

This cannot be swept under the rug and we move on.....

There has to be a respect for....

The alleged victim
TSJ
Josh and the DIA for their protocols

This is bigger then basketball and I hope this gets resolved in a nature where IF there is a wrong that person gets held accountable.

That includes TSJ
That includes if the alleged victim is fabricating the story

@illini4040
Thanks for all the insight.

 

[Second place is 1st loser]

Last thing I’m going to say since some of you seem to know exactly why TJ was charged….all the sexual acts were consensual when the happened, TJ in no way forced his hand down a females pants nor did he force hers down his…... I won’t be commenting on this til TJ has his day in court or some other resolution happens.

I'm hoping that the resolution(a positive one) happens before his day in court and all parties involved can come to a sound, sensible conclusion.

Thanks 0440!

 

[Illinifan74]

We are now past 48 hours since the suspension. Shouldn’t that special counsel have met by now and announced if they are upholding the suspension?

My guess would be business hours. Doubt they are working the weekend.

 

[DeeSunmu 11]

TSJ felony charge is forceful touching as shown in his formal charges. Misdemeanor charge is touching w/o consent. I find the felony charge hard to believe in a bar but who knows. Felony rape from misrepresentation appears to be for medical or law enforcement reasons. Felony level seems to make determination on what kind of misrepresentation voids consent. Does misdemeanor level expand misrepresentation that voids consent to include lying about being a football player? Not making any assumptions of guilt whatsoever here as TSJ is innocent until proven guilty of course

 

[Loyalillini10]

I know that in the past, and likely currently in many places, men in power have swept accusations of sexual assault under the rug to protect their or their institutions reputation. That is not the case here. Josh acknowledged the accusation. TSJ showed up in court as requested by the warrant. No one is running away from the accusation or the investigation. If TSJ needs to be punished the law in Kansas will see that it happens. One of the charges has a 10+ year in jail penalty.

What I don't understand is the need of some posters to punish TSJ prior to a conviction, that reeks of vigilantism. And if separating TSJ from the school is all about U of I protecting its reputation, that is really just the other side of the same coin evil men have used for centuries to justify ignoring accusations of sexual assault. Sacrificing the rights of an individual to the some misguided view of the institutions needs.

I have followed this page since the beginning and I really am not seeing anyone on here wishing to punish TJ. What I DO see is many posters trying to punish the accuser before any of the facts come out and claiming TJ's total innocence.