Oh drat. I never thought of that. Nobody out on bail has ever gotten permission to travel with a team, for a job, and so on..
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I’m not saying the info we have calls for it, but If they had exonerating evidence and DA was being stubborn, there would be no logical reason to keep the suspension just because of a pending charge that has no chance of sticking
illini55
- The Villages, FL
There is no standard of proof because the panel is not a judicial body.
Tacomallini
- Washington State
Didn't Bob Probert have an arrest warrant in Canada at one point, and could only play games in the US? Nothing at all to do with TSJ, but this made me think of it. Former NHL player for the Red Wings and Blackhawks, for the youngsters and non-hockey fans
I scrolled through student disciplinary procedures. The standard for both fact finding and decisions appears to be preponderance of evidence.
the national
- the Front Range
I hadn’t thought of this.
You raise a good point.
The thing is... People either have integrity or they don’t. Same with institutions. And our words and behavior continuously leaks out whether we in fact do have integrity or not. And of course, we all make mistakes from time to time. But in basic... you either have to believe that a person (or group of persons) has integrity and are doing their best... or you don’t. Or just wont.
The vast majority of us will never know all the people we talk about here on this forum personally. We only know them through videos and interviews and by how they perform on the venue of play.
But the basic rule of life should be... always think the best of someone until they prove to you you cannot.
Each of us would like to go through life being judged and treated fairly by all the people we encounter. And of course, that doesn’t always happen. But that should always be our baseline standard.
For myself... right now I will think the best about Shannon, his accuser, and the U of I, period. Until I am given good reason not to.
The U of I will not be harmed by fair-minded people if there is no reason to think harm. Facts will come out. And outside opinions will either fully align with those facts or they will not.
And as for the Illini in the Final Four, yes. Get there. Let it come down to the final possession. And then someone in Orange & Blue shakes off a defender... hits a Three from the top of the key just before the last second ticks off. And a challenging year both on and off the court ends with wide grins from Zion to Cairo and Seattle to Key West. And all the guys on the floor and all those of us who will be on the floor with them in spirit.
I feel so unimportant here...the only non-lawyer on Loyalty.
I thought the application question was a joke, but apparently not. "Which law school did you graduate from?"
They overlooked my answer of SMU, which they assumed to be Southern Methodist, not Southern Mattoon University!
I thought the application question was a joke, but apparently not. "Which law school did you graduate from?"
They overlooked my answer of SMU, which they assumed to be Southern Methodist, not Southern Mattoon University!
Illini2010-11
- Sugar Grove
Completely random, but as a child I met Bob Probert and his family at Kiddie Land. I got his autograph on a napkin in a pink pen (the only one his wife had on her). As an enforcer, he was embarrassed by having his autograph in pink.
It also contains a law professor who doesn’t care about basketball but only whether the suspension was proper considering the pending charges…
Pretty sure each insider gets prima nocta rights to any one name they choose...
Where is the probable cause affidavit District Attorney Valdez??? Obviously, the identity of the alleged victim can be redacted (as it should be at this point) but in contrast TSJ can be tried, convicted and irrevocably scarred for life in the court of public opinion no matter what the ultimate outcome is of the criminal proceedings. Shouldn't part of the presumption of innocence be for not only TSJ but also for the public to at least know what the sworn factual basis is behind felony charge against TSJ given that the incident allegedly took place last September???
Did I read somewhere that the bond in this case was $50,000 (could be wrong)? That just seems suspiciously low for someone who, if found guilty, faces a minimum of 12 and a maximum of 50+ years.
If you think that if the panel puts the odds that he is guilty of these charges at 49% that they should send him back on the court that is fine. I am telling you it is not going to happen.
Is that what you would want to happen?
I think based on everything we have heard there is good reason to be skeptical and keep an open mind. You can not send a player back on the court with this hanging over his head though. For the best interest of the player, the accuser and the U of I this needs to resolved legally. Charges need to be dropped or a plea deal reached. I will eat my words if I am wrong but I can’t see it.
And a bit of a Goon if memory serves.
And I have every faith that this committee of Underwood, Whitman, and Mr. Shannon Sr. will make the fair choice /.s
And a bit of a Goon if memory serves
IlliniKat91
- Chicago, IL
If podcasts are your thing, check out Crime in Sports. They have a lot of great episodes (Charles Barkley and Dennis Rodman are standouts), including one on Bob Probert
Illini2010-11
- Sugar Grove
But to answer your initial question:
It was actually flipped. Probert was arrested for cochain possession trying to cross border into Canada. He served his time in Minnesota jail, and was set to be deported to back to Canada. He appealed the deportation decision, but until the matter was settled, Probert could not play games in Canada because he would not be allowed back in the US.
Ryllini
- Lombard
Dan starts a new clean TSJ Thread...
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hooraybeer
- Pittsburgh, PA
Assume it's the same as Illinois where you have to pay 10% to be released. So 500K was actual bond.
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