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pruman91 said:
huh ?.................................................................................................................................................................................................................lol.......

I had a double bass drum setup......snare.................2 timpani's............2 floor tom tom's....................high hat & 8 other cymbals.............

mic'ed up through sound mixer..................loved performing in front of peeps...............I really really did......................
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CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? LOL. About the same setup. Double kicks, 5 mounted + floor toms, 4 crash, 22" ride and high hat with extra stand left of high hat to hold my adult beverages. Gotta love rock n roll!
 
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For my fellow parents out there, they have a surprisingly good mac and cheese. Now let's get this thread back on track and talk about cottage cheese.
 
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I've stated this before, but I believe it is worth repeating. As a woman who has been assaulted, I'm telling you for a fact that I could not have been a reliable witness to identify my attacker. Whether it was the alcohol, the trauma or my mind protecting me, there was no way I could have ID-ed my assailant with any certainty. My point is, based on my own experience, I don't see her as a completely reliable witness. She spent hours scrolling through the internet until she found someone who looked familar. The more she looked at the picture, the more convinced she was that it was TSJ. That's the way memory often works. According to studies done on wrongful convictions, more than half of them are based on bad eye witness testimony. From what we've seen and hard so far, the accuser's word seems to be the only real "evidence" the prosecution has in this case. If that turns out to be the case, to me, there is certainly reasonable doubt.
 
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winepros said:
I've stated this before, but I believe it is worth repeating. As a woman who has been assaulted, I'm telling you for a fact that I could not have been a reliable witness to identify my attacker. Whether it was the alcohol, the trauma or my mind protecting me, there was no way I could have ID-ed my assailant with any certainty. My point is, based on my own experience, I don't see her as a completely reliable witness. She spent hours scrolling through the internet until she found someone who looked familar. The more she looked at the picture, the more convinced she was that it was TSJ. That's the way memory often works. According to studies done on wrongful convictions, more than half of them are based on bad eye witness testimony. From what we've seen and hard so far, the accuser's word seems to be the only real "evidence" the prosecution has in this case. If that turns out to be the case, to me, there is certainly reasonable doubt.
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I'm sorry that happened to you. Thanks for sharing your story, and your perspective.
 
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21ChampaignSt

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winepros said:
I've stated this before, but I believe it is worth repeating. As a woman who has been assaulted, I'm telling you for a fact that I could not have been a reliable witness to identify my attacker. Whether it was the alcohol, the trauma or my mind protecting me, there was no way I could have ID-ed my assailant with any certainty. My point is, based on my own experience, I don't see her as a completely reliable witness. She spent hours scrolling through the internet until she found someone who looked familar. The more she looked at the picture, the more convinced she was that it was TSJ. That's the way memory often works. According to studies done on wrongful convictions, more than half of them are based on bad eye witness testimony. From what we've seen and hard so far, the accuser's word seems to be the only real "evidence" the prosecution has in this case. If that turns out to be the case, to me, there is certainly reasonable doubt.
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The problem is that the seemingly random person she ID'd online just so happened to be at the same place at the same time as the actual offender. An incredibly unfortunate coincidence for TSJ, if so. If she would've talked herself into picking out almost any other basketball player on the planet, it would be easy to prove she was mistaken.
 
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Illinifan33 said:
Legally though, doesn't there have to be some sort of evidence that would tie him to the crime in order to issue a warrant for his arrest? You can't just arrest someone just because someone said you did something.
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Unfortunately, that is not true. If you are accused of doing something at a location and it is confirmed you were at the location at that time, you can be arrested. After that, I don't know what it takes for further action. But, you can be accused and arrested simply "because you could have" based on somebody elses testimony.
 
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drsmitty74 said:
Sounds like the perfect acronym for when someone asks a question that has been answered 100 times earlier in the thread.

YSTR = You Should Try Reading before you ask.
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Yea. I'm just going to go with that. I hope I can remember it when needed.
 
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winepros said:
I've stated this before, but I believe it is worth repeating. As a woman who has been assaulted, I'm telling you for a fact that I could not have been a reliable witness to identify my attacker. Whether it was the alcohol, the trauma or my mind protecting me, there was no way I could have ID-ed my assailant with any certainty. My point is, based on my own experience, I don't see her as a completely reliable witness. She spent hours scrolling through the internet until she found someone who looked familar. The more she looked at the picture, the more convinced she was that it was TSJ. That's the way memory often works. According to studies done on wrongful convictions, more than half of them are based on bad eye witness testimony. From what we've seen and hard so far, the accuser's word seems to be the only real "evidence" the prosecution has in this case. If that turns out to be the case, to me, there is certainly reasonable doubt.
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I'm sorry this happened to you, and I acknowledge that trauma can affect memory.

The accuser's friend (whose memory wouldn't be affected by trauma) corroborates the identification of TSJ and (along with video) puts the incident in a time window of "a little over two minutes" during which both the accuser and her friend say the accuser was moving towards TSJ. Between the two of them, they also seem to identify two other people who actually were with TSJ. So I'm at least convinced she correctly identified TSJ in the bar and moved towards him.

Yes, it's possible the entire incident involved someone else during those few minutes, and the trauma of it altered her memory to think it was TSJ. Or that she was assaulted by someone else's hand while she was pulled in by TSJ. Or that she was lying about being sober and doesn't really remember the attacker. Or that she made up the assault or mistakenly thinks she was assaulted. I don't think it's certain that a jury would (or should) think there's reasonable doubt based on those possibilities alone, and we don't know everything that the jury will hear.

As a fan (or putting myself in the place of an NBA team), I'm not sure what to make of that. I really hope there's something definitive in his defense, because I would be very excited to cheer for someone who was convincingly exonerated, but unsure of what I would do if he gets off on "just enough" doubt.
 
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