TSJ Thread

[Big Jack]

Kedric. He was on the Pella/Tate call-in show over the weekend

‎Illini Pella Saturday SportsTalk: Illini Pella Saturday SportsTalk 1-13-24 on Apple Podcasts

‎Show Illini Pella Saturday SportsTalk, Ep Illini Pella Saturday SportsTalk 1-13-24 - Jan 13, 2024

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[Rocket City Illini]

Heard from a couple people they expected today but has not happened yet. Should still be soon (if not today, next couple of days)

I guess Judge Lawless doesn’t share Illini basketball fans’ timeline of wanting him to play vs Michigan OR have any clue how all this impacts illinoisloyalty. Keeping us all on pins and needles anxiously awaiting positive news while occupying our time with a variety of random topics.

 

[skyIdub]

 

[dmb24illini]

I guess Judge Lawless doesn’t share Illini basketball fans’ timeline of wanting him to play vs Michigan OR have any clue how all this impacts illinoisloyalty. Keeping us all on pins and needles anxiously awaiting positive news while occupying our time with a variety of random topics.

With him needing to be in court in Kansas at 3 PM on Thursday, I wasn't expecting him to play at Michigan anyways...

 

[s261]

I guess Judge Lawless doesn’t share Illini basketball fans’ timeline of wanting him to play vs Michigan OR have any clue how all this impacts illinoisloyalty. Keeping us all on pins and needles anxiously awaiting positive news while occupying our time with a variety of random topics.

The CSJR requires publication of a list of motions that not have been decided six months after all all briefing ends. It is of course called the Six month list. It is not uncommon for decisions to take more time than that. I had a motion not decided for three years. Won't happen here because case is of public interest and would draw attention to their malfeasance. Here is a link to 6 month list. https://www.uscourts.gov/data-table-report-names/civil-justice-reform-act-cjra

 

[WINT]

I used to live in North Alabama. One day I was watching the local 6 o’clock news cause I like to party. This insanely bizarre interview came on during a story about someone breaking into an apartment and trying to grope this guy’s sister.

It was so goofy that I actually recorded the local news….to show people how goofy this guy interviewed was.

Next day the whole thing went viral. Memes, an auto tune remix….all the things. Ended up being this….

I know for a fact you don’t party.

 

[WeWillWhen]

Heard from a couple people they expected today but has not happened yet. Should still be soon (if not today, next couple of days)

Nothing posted on the Court's online docket as of 6:30 p.m.

 

[PattyOBryant]

With him needing to be in court in Kansas at 3 PM on Thursday, I wasn't expecting him to play at Michigan anyways...

 

[s261]

Nothing posted on the Court's online docket as of 6:30 p.m.

Decisions on Motions for Injunctive relief must be in writing pursuant to Federal Rule. They are also appealable even though interlocutory

 

[Tacomallini]

I'm an outsider looking in, my friend. Everything I know has already been posted here.

 

[Illini231]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1747388294709547127

better hope the judge rules in TSJ's favor with this TRO, if not, we're gonna have to just get used to the team we've been running out

 

[Rocket City Illini]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1747388294709547127

better hope the judge rules in TSJ's favor with this TRO, if not, we're gonna have to just get used to the team we've been running out

When it’s all said and done, goes to court, and TSJ is acquitted in early 2030, the B1G/SEC Cooperative grants TSJ a year of eligibility and we end up with a 30 year old Senior guard.

 

[RabidDawgClassic]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1747388294709547127

better hope the judge rules in TSJ's favor with this TRO, if not, we're gonna have to just get used to the team we've been running out

Preliminary Examination/Go Prelim. An evidentiary hearing to determine whether there is probable cause to believe: 1) a felony has been committed; and, 2) whether the Defendant committed the felony. Victim will be called to testify. While testifying, the Victim will be asked to identify the person who committed the crime.

This seems like a case for Jimmy McGill. #bettercallsaul

Misidentification -- Better Call Saul

 

[Fighter of the Nightman]

I’ll GLADLY be lectured by someone about how my opinions are problematic, but…

1) While there might be additional evidence yet to be revealed, I think it’s fair to judge TJ by ONLY those facts - even circumstantial - that we have available.

2) I’ll judge ALL of these (possibly circumstantial) facts with both the presumption of TJ’s innocence and the positive image he’s put forth to-date.

3) Until more becomes available … this case seems like a joke.

4) Believing #3 before we get “all the facts” isn’t just entirely reasonable, it should be the moral default for any man or woman accused of something that they adamantly deny.

5) #4 takes nothing away from A-N-Y other sexual assault case or any perceived broader problem regarding sexual assault. TJ and, frankly, the victim deserve this case to be viewed in isolation. If you see viewing it in isolation as a problem, I’d argue the problem lies more with you, your virtue signaling and your desire to make everything about a validation of your self-flattering ideologies that pad your ego…

 

[04-05]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1747388294709547127

better hope the judge rules in TSJ's favor with this TRO, if not, we're gonna have to just get used to the team we've been running out

And according to TSJ’s lawyers, they don’t expect the preliminary hearing for 90 days….

 

[IlliniKat91]

I’ll GLADLY be lectured by someone about how my opinions are problematic, but…

1) While there might be additional evidence yet to be revealed, I think it’s fair to judge TJ by ONLY those facts - even circumstantial - that we have available.

2) I’ll judge ALL of these (possibly circumstantial) facts with both the presumption of TJ’s innocence and the positive image he’s put forth to-date.

3) Until more becomes available … this case seems like a joke.

4) Believing #3 before we get “all the facts” isn’t just entirely reasonable, it should be the moral default for any man or woman accused of something that they adamantly deny.

5) #4 takes nothing away from A-N-Y other sexual assault case or any perceived broader problem regarding sexual assault. TJ and, frankly, the victim deserve this case to be viewed in isolation. If you see viewing it in isolation as a problem, I’d argue the problem lies more with you, your virtue signaling and your desire to make everything about a validation of your self-flattering ideologies that pad your ego…

About your second point, most evidence is circumstantial and not direct. The idea that circumstantial evidence is lesser is something pushed by Hollywood.

At least that's what The Prosecutor podcast taught me. This attorney also seems to agree

What is the difference between direct and circumstantial evidence? | Ellison Law LLC

Evidence at a trial or a hearing can include witness testimony, documents, photos, videos, exhibits and any facts that the lawyers have agreed on is true. However, many people confuse the difference between direct and circumstantial evidence. Direct evidence can be a witness testifying about...

www.dellisonlaw.com

 

[illinifan1987]

 

[Illini_1105]

I used to live in North Alabama. One day I was watching the local 6 o’clock news cause I like to party. This insanely bizarre interview came on during a story about someone breaking into an apartment and trying to grope this guy’s sister.

It was so goofy that I actually recorded the local news….to show people how goofy this guy interviewed was.

Next day the whole thing went viral. Memes, an auto tune remix….all the things. Ended up being this….

thank you for reminding me of simpler times. This is an all time video.

 

[Roundball Sage]

Cliff Notes version: An organization will always protect itself at the expense of an individual.

And yet, any organization is nothing but a collection of individuals. Each individual whose interests will be superceded by that of the organization. Or, an organization simply exists on paper.

Sort of like this doctrine of ‘Corporations Being Persons’. Um, I don’t think so. If corporations can breathe and breed and think on their own without the help of humans then maybe. But not now. (And not ever).

So we create entities that have more ‘rights’ than we do and that require ‘more’ protection than any human being? Something just seems a bit off here!?

 

[CoachHooleyHoo]

If TSJ is exonerated, I hope he sues the pants off of everybody including UofI. I understand what Whitman was trying to do with the 3-member panel but it’s terribly flawed.

 

[Illini 993]

About your second point, most evidence is circumstantial and not direct. The idea that circumstantial evidence is lesser is something pushed by Hollywood.

At least that's what The Prosecutor podcast taught me. This attorney also seems to agree

What is the difference between direct and circumstantial evidence? | Ellison Law LLC

Evidence at a trial or a hearing can include witness testimony, documents, photos, videos, exhibits and any facts that the lawyers have agreed on is true. However, many people confuse the difference between direct and circumstantial evidence. Direct evidence can be a witness testifying about...

www.dellisonlaw.com

Kat, I'm not sure I agree with your take on the article you linked. From the article, "...circumstantial cases tend to be weaker than direct cases, ..." But, I agree with your point that circumstantial evidence can be useful to prove either guilt or innocence.

 

[Chase321]

If TSJ is exonerated, I hope he sues the pants off of everybody including UofI. I understand what Whitman was trying to do with the 3-member panel but it’s terribly flawed.

I don’t think he’d have any case at all.

 

[AutoPoster 3000]

I don’t think anyone has said these opinions are problematic.

To be fair, who here has said that they think this a strong or compelling case against TJ based on the information we have heard so far? Who has said there should be condemnation now and that we should rush to judgment? I don’t recall seeing that.

The type of comments that have triggered strong responses are when people have posted things like:

“I’m a child/adolescent psychologist and in my professional experience 75% of all sex crime allegations are false.”

“How is it fair to charge someone with a sex crime unless there is a corroborating third party eyewitness to the actual crime and/or there is incriminating physical evidence?”

“There’s just no way a woman could be sexually assaulted or groped in a crowded bar. Impossible.”

“The fact that a supposed victim did not cry out or report the assault immediately means her claim should not be trusted.”

“Our criminal justice systems favors women who report being victims and is unjustly biased against innocent guys who did nothing wrong.”

These are all broad generalizations about the larger society that are not, as you said, taking this case into account “in isolation.”

 

[Navy_illini]

I don’t think he’d have any case at all.

Costing players NIL opportunities complicates things with these legal matters

Universities are treating players like employees so it will be a matter of time for players to have unions and collective bargaining agreements to protect both sides

A lot of legal cases in the past couple years changed the landscape and if TSJ gets the TRO, universities will have to rethink their policies

 

[BretMyBeachHouse]

About your second point, most evidence is circumstantial and not direct. The idea that circumstantial evidence is lesser is something pushed by Hollywood.

At least that's what The Prosecutor podcast taught me. This attorney also seems to agree

What is the difference between direct and circumstantial evidence? | Ellison Law LLC

Evidence at a trial or a hearing can include witness testimony, documents, photos, videos, exhibits and any facts that the lawyers have agreed on is true. However, many people confuse the difference between direct and circumstantial evidence. Direct evidence can be a witness testifying about...

www.dellisonlaw.com

Directly from the very link you provided.

"Although circumstantial cases tend to be weaker than direct cases, the Government can still use circumstantial evidence to prove their case. "

So yes, it's lesser.