No. We don't need another 2017 schollie, the kid has talent, is long and athletic, and replacing Hill by committee seems most likely. I'm still betting he is a very good player before his career is over. But, regardless, with 4 incoming & 2 opening for 2017 it would be dumb to run anyone off for next year as long as there are no serious other issues brewing.
Illinois 88, NC State 74 POSTGAME
No. We don't need another 2017 schollie, the kid has talent, is long and athletic, and replacing Hill by committee seems most likely. I'm still betting he is a very good player before his career is over. But, regardless, with 4 incoming & 2 opening for 2017 it would be dumb to run anyone off for next year as long as there are no serious other issues brewing.
Wrong, DJ is a 3. Playing DJW/Hill is closer to playing 5 guards, than anything Izzo does.
Pretty difficult to make that argument for a guy who can't step out to 3 point range. I'm also into the idea of him guarding 4's. He can provide some semblance of rim protection as insurance for Mav and MT's plodding feet.
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If they get all their guys back, and finish the season strong, it won't suddenly mean that Illinois had a win against a good team in November.
We are humans, we can use logic.
Hasn't Groce's desired system all along been predicated on multiple, good-to-great PGs?
The Way of the PG is the future of basketball anyhow.
Plus Abrams played a great game, shot 60% overall & from 3, no turnovers, 3 steals, 2-2 from the line, 17 pts. How much upside over that should we expect, he doesn't need upside from that performance.
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Not to speak for TC, but when your mom spouts off on Twitter after the game, it makes me think that she has some control over the situation, and at the very least, she has influence.
You're using a logic dissimilar from when tournament resumes are being evaluated by the committee, generally speaking.
If NC State becomes a tourney team, that's a helpful win.
WE as Illini fans can use logic (well, mainly the pessimistic ones use all the logic around these parts apparently).
He's saying that, when it comes around to it in March and NC State is an improved basketball team, then this will be looked at BY THE COMMITTEE, BY OUTSIDE PERSPECTIVES, as a good win. That's how it suddenly becomes a good win. No one will delve deep into it: "oh they didn't have this guy, oh this guy was hurt, oh but it was a late road game." If you told me they beat NC State on a night when the Wolfpack shot 53% from the field and 38% from 3pt range, sounds like a great win to me.
I'll pose this to you: IF Illinois wins out in non-con and goes 13-5 in B1G (finishing 23-8), are WVU and FSU's wins against us bad wins or good wins for them?
They also have nothing that even resembles a good win. Struggle to beat Georgia southrn & Loyola by 2 each. They will likely get better & may end up a good team, but last night they were bad, real bad.
From recent rotations, I think it is fair to say thay neight AJ or DJW have impressed the coaches enough to think there spot behind Hill is secure. I'm not sure Kipper will get it, but the spot is there for the taking.
Your issue, Chief, is that you're considering the game from a "How good does this win make me feel about my team" perspective, whereas those you're railing against are speaking from a "How might this victory appear to a selection committee in March" perspective.
No one's in here saying that all our worries about this team have evaporated. But if we continue to improve our play, and NCSt continues to improve theirs, both teams might end up having a record that placing them in the mix for a tourney berth. If all the above comes to be, last night's victory will be a positive to any committee member looking at our resumé. Surely you don't believe the committee is looking at how well individual teams looked during single games in November when preparing their list?
And if we made the dance, would you still be moaning about the quality of the team we played on 11/29?
No one's 'logicking' themselves into believing that we beat a tourney-grade team firing on all cylinders last night. Do you deny anyone's right to feel better that the team looked better, that the rotations seemed to make more sense, and that the team won for the first time in four games?
No one's in here saying that all our worries about this team have evaporated. But if we continue to improve our play, and NCSt continues to improve theirs, both teams might end up having a record that placing them in the mix for a tourney berth. If all the above comes to be, last night's victory will be a positive to any committee member looking at our resumé. Surely you don't believe the committee is looking at how well individual teams looked during single games in November when preparing their list?
And if we made the dance, would you still be moaning about the quality of the team we played on 11/29?
No one's 'logicking' themselves into believing that we beat a tourney-grade team firing on all cylinders last night. Do you deny anyone's right to feel better that the team looked better, that the rotations seemed to make more sense, and that the team won for the first time in four games?
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I'm not on the committee. I'm using the logic of a rational fan.
He hasn't made a bunch of them, but I think he does have that range.
I believe that's called a logical fallacy.
Oh stop it! They are all garbage. Stop using facts and start using your rational fan logic.
Not really, he just doesn't have a significant number of attempts. His form looks fine.
If you dont have a significant number of attempts (2-14 career), then you don't have that range.
Or you're playing behind a guy who will end up pretty high on the school's career scoring list.
Until Nichols is eligible in a few games. He will take minutes from Williams and Jordan, IMO.
Not much there to take.
I've never heard of a 'bad win'.... explain what that is ? ?
Wins are like women, they are all good, but some of them are better than others.