Tonight has not gone as planned.
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I tend to agree. Particularly with Adams injury. That's why I am ok with some selling. Like bullpen arms. It won't be popular, but it's likely in the best interest of the team.
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Been watching this whole thing. It's like a little league game.
Didn't love seeing this excerpt in Keith Law's chat today. I love TA, but this logic has merit.
I like Law. He's very critical of all players and points out their limitation and strengths well IMO. I also agree with his general logic. But, although rare, some players do improve their discipline at the MLB level. More importantly, bringing him up was a move of necessity for the organization. It probably was not in Anderson's best interests, but it was in the best interest of many other people.
The last thing I'll add is that I've been skeptical of Anderson due to his lack of discipline. However, if he can keep hitting balls out of the zone with authority and can keep slugging at a nearly 0.500 clip, then he'll be a very valuable and well above average SS. It's dangerous due to his small sample size, but if he had enough ABs to qualify, he'd have the 6th best slugging among MLB SS behind Machado (not usually SS), Story, Diaz, Seager, and Nunez. He'd be 12th in OPS. Also interesting, both his OBP (0.310 v 0.307) and his Slugging (0.488 v 0.477) are slightly better than Marcus Semien - a player many wish was still with the Sox. Park effects could impact that, but Anderson in fewer than 1/2 the ABs has been worth 1.2 WAR and Semien worth 1.9 WAR.
Bob Christiansen
- 4th & Chalmers, a few years ago...Now? Weeki Wach
Shields with a 2-hit CG...and loses. smh.......
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You want to trade away the Sox young assets? For what? They aren't winning anything.Happy Carson Fulmer day y'all. Another young guy I don't think is ready, but at least the org has a good track record in rushing pitchers to the majors.
This pretty much cements he's a non-available trade chip though
It's easy to say that given what's transpired in between when I posted this and now. The point is, the front office needs to commit to one way or the other ie buyers or sellers. These half measures have landed us exactly where we are now - mediocre with elite talent in premium positions.
The only real answer is to sell. I don't see how they are buyers of anyone of consequence given the ridiculous price that Pomeranz demanded. There is no way we could have gotten him if we wanted to, and he would not be enough to put us over the top. Staying put and hoping for better next year is fine, but there is not going to be significant talent available to dramatically improve the team. Therefore, though it's disappointing, selling is probably best for the long term. It would be tough to see Sale, Quintana, and others winning games for other organizations in October, but it seems increasingly unlikely that the Sox will be able to get over the hump during their prime years.
Bob Christiansen
- 4th & Chalmers, a few years ago...Now? Weeki Wach
So ummmmmm.....anybody watch last night's game? I honestly cannot remember the last time I was that pissed off...
Illiniwek06
- N of I-80
Unfortunately yes. And started watching around the 7th, just in time to catch the meltdown. Fun stuff.
Bob Christiansen
- 4th & Chalmers, a few years ago...Now? Weeki Wach
Unfortunately yes. And started watching around the 7th, just in time to catch the meltdown. Fun stuff.
I literally woke up this morning angry. If the game had been just an average outing by whomever, I probably would've just shrugged it off. But although Sale didn't have his best stuff (slider was giving him trouble), he effectively used his changeup and ramped up the velocity on his fastball...and pitched 8 excellent innings...1 frickin hit, and that was in the 1st inning!!!
Not saying it's hindsight, but IMO Robertson should've been pulled after the first run was scored, bring in Nate Jones. But what do I know...
I don't think that the Rangers have a strong enough prospect to get Sale. I said last year that I would consider trading Sale (and Q) if I got the right players. I'm even more apt to trade them this year. The Dodgers have Urias, who if coupled with a couple other prospects could be sufficient - I think they have two guys in around 30. Obviously the team to target with Sale is Boston. They have three of the top 10 prospects in the game. Get two of them and a another prospect and move forward. Then you can move Q for another two top 50ish prospects and this team gets much more interesting very quickly. Trade Abreu for one top 50ish prospect and trade Frazier, Robertson, Duke, and Melky for varying levels of lottery tickets and the future of the team will be infinitely better. They'd take a public opinion hit, but this is the only way the team can contend in the forseable future.
We have two great pieces in Sale and Q and another good one in Abreu. Eaton is OK. Then you have two young guys with potential in Rodon and Anderson. But there is nothing in the minors that can fill our voids. Our potential Catcher is several years away as is any help in the OF. Furthermore, there are no answers available by free agency in the off season. Unless you think everyone will have a career year next year, this team is not contending. Then most of our guys are free agents with no replacements in the minors. So we will be stuck paying guys who can't get it done.
The only option is to improve the team by trade. Unfortunately our system is so bad, we cannot improve our MLB roster with trades. We can only tear it down to build it up. This would be similar to what the Astros and Cubs have done in recent years. Except, we have an opportunity they did not. We have two great pitchers who can be traded to instantaneously change the future of the team. Of course, we need to put our faith in a front office that has gotten us into such a pitiful situation.
Not a Sox fan, but I've been following these rumors intently. What would it take to make a Sale trade "acceptable" as a Sox fan? From the Rangers I've seen talks starting at Gallo and Profar.
Gallo and Profar would be a start. I'd need one more strong prospect. Probably Brinson and someone a bit lower. But ultimately, I don't think the Rangers are a good partner. It requires that they include Profar which I don't think they'll do. Gallo, is not the elite prospect that I think Sale would necessitate.
For Sale, elite talent is required. And really, because it will be unproven talent, I think you need two high probability future All-Stars. That is why Boston is the partner. They have three of the top 10 and they are going for it this year. Unfortunately, the one I really want, Benintendi, just played LF presumably because he'll be an addition for the Red Sox. I think I'd still do it for Moncada and Devers and another good prospect.
There are a couple other teams that I think have the talent to trade, but ultimately Sale requires at least 1 top 10 prospect and another top 20 and depending on where exactly those guys are, perhaps a top 30 or top 50. Teams like the Pirates, Astros, and Nationals (maybe the Dodgers) could probably put together a package that would satisfy me, but that's really where it ends. No one else has the quantity and level of talent that I think a true #1 pitcher on a great contract demands.
The contract is just as important as Sale's talent. That is a contract that anyone can afford. That's why a team looking at a window during this year and the next two years should be giving up a huge package for Sale...and Quintana.
Illiniwek06
- N of I-80
+1 IO. Sale's talent/$ commands a haul. I believe Buster Olney was saying on ESPN that Sale should net a return similar to what the Cowboys got for Herschel Walker.
It would likely have to be the largest return in history. A young ace this cheap with this much team control hasn't ever hit the market, from what I understand. There was word out there that they were offered a "king's ransom" and replied flatly with "no".
With Texas? It's gonna take much more than just Gallo and Profar. Heyman reported today that the Sox are seeking 5 top prospects. They should settle for absolutely no less.
I'm loving/hating the twitter chatter from opposing fanbases. Lots of "let's trade for Sale, pass on Quintana" stances.
I guess younger, cheaper, better David Prices aren't for everyone.
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Don't listen to idiot fans who look at W/L record. They're not making decisions. Q will bring back a significant haul also.
By the way, Sale scratched for an undisclosed reason tonight.
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