Jordan Goodwin commits to SLU

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While it REALLY torques me off that the NCAA allows dishonest crap like this, and that recruits & family think they are entitled to fringe money, if others are playing this game then we are hurt if we do not as well.

I know nothing about Coach Tate and the St. Louis Eagles program, so I don't want to just call him an AAU hack without knowing the facts.

Having said that, everyone gets the same 3 assistant coaching positions. If burning those resources on AAU hacks to land you recruits is a gamble that you think will pay off, more power to you. There is unquestionably a downside there.

I don't consider that cheating at all. Family members gets slightly dicier, and of course inventing non-assistant roles for people is rightfully outlawed.
 
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Epsilon

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No way were we behind NW. That's just JGood thowing it back in our faces, probably due to a lot of negative UI fan reactions over the past few days. Oh well.

Could have been a legend on a great team in a premier conference.
Instead he'll be a really good player on a mediocre team in a crap conference (albeit with nicer things in his apartment)

Yeah that's the part I didn't get. I get why not us, just why third? It's gotta be a reaction to the loonies out there. It's an academic point, but I was experiencing some cognitive dissonance.
 
#80      
Sounds like he definitely wanted to go somewhere he would be "the man" on day 1.

That wasn't UI. Best of luck, kid.

You hit it right on the head!!!! Ding ding! He wanted to be the man from day one and knew Illinois and the stage of the big ten conference wouldn't make it so
 
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I know nothing about Coach Tate and the St. Louis Eagles program, so I don't want to just call him an AAU hack without knowing the facts.

Having said that, everyone gets the same 3 assistant coaching positions. If burning those resources on AAU hacks to land you recruits is a gamble that you think will pay off, more power to you. There is unquestionably a downside there.

I don't consider that cheating at all. Family members gets slightly dicier.

Ford doesn't care about that. All he cares about is stacking a little bit of talent, winning some games quickly, and leveraging that into another job at P5 program so he can get the heck out of St. Louis and back to big boy basketball
 
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ILLINIFAN2

Des Moines, IA
Looks like the Billiken that caught him in his dreams was delivering bags of cash, lol..:D

Ironically, Goodwin insisted he had a dream Tuesday that led him to choosing the Billikens.

“What really got me about SLU was I had a dream about it,” he said. “I was being chased by a Billiken. In my dream I was running and I went to the arena — and that’s when the Billiken finally caught me.

Read more here: http://www.bnd.com/sports/high-school/prep-basketball/article95320297.html#storylink=cpy
 
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Looks like the Billiken that caught him in his dreams was delivering bags of cash, lol..:D

Ironically, Goodwin insisted he had a dream Tuesday that led him to choosing the Billikens.

“What really got me about SLU was I had a dream about it,” he said. “I was being chased by a Billiken. In my dream I was running and I went to the arena — and that’s when the Billiken finally caught me.

Read more here: http://www.bnd.com/sports/high-school/prep-basketball/article95320297.html#storylink=cpy

so dumb. even if you actually had a dream like that, why on earth would you tell anyone? and why would you tell them that's how you made your decision? Bonkers.
 
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I know nothing about Coach Tate and the St. Louis Eagles program, so I don't want to just call him an AAU hack without knowing the facts.

Having said that, everyone gets the same 3 assistant coaching positions. If burning those resources on AAU hacks to land you recruits is a gamble that you think will pay off, more power to you. There is unquestionably a downside there.

I don't consider that cheating at all. Family members gets slightly dicier, and of course inventing non-assistant roles for people is rightfully outlawed.

Let's be honest, it is not that our assistants have made us a college basketball juggernaut either. :)

Having said that, SLU is a very poor choice for Goodwin. He could have done so much better, even if it was not our Illini.
 
#85      
I'm surprised that from the sounds of it Goodwin's recruitment went down this path. I thought he was a grounded kid who'd keep the process on the up and up. As another poster alluded to, it's a corrupt system where schools make tens of millions per year, coaches have to protect their multimillion-dollar jobs in a hypercompetitive market, the NCAA is a greed-driven cover-up machine, and organizational homeostasis (i.e. all of the rich, influential people maintaining their wealth and influence) depends on a constant flow of uncompensated labor.

These kids have tutors doing their homework, special accommodations for exams, easy classes; they're all funneled into majors like Leisure Studies and Sports Management unless they put their foot down. They don't really get compensation in the form of a world-class education: in the revenue sports, they're there to be a cash cow.

Some kids and their handlers keep the recruitment clean and then get to school, insist on challenging majors, work their tails off, and get value out of the university in the form of a degree. It's pretty much up to the kid and (more importantly) his support system from day one how clean they're going to keep the process. Most kids ask for various forms of compensation in order to commit and then skate through school without putting in more than the minimal required amount of effort to stay eligible.

For what it's worth, I've heard that Illinois plays the talent acquisition game cleaner than most and Groce has a lot of integrity. That means we'll probably keep getting curveballs like Cliff, Evans, Goodwin, et al.
 
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ILLINIFAN2

Des Moines, IA
I guess moving forward on the morning of signing day coaches need to reach out to the recruit and ask if they had any dreams about rival school MASCOTS.... Good God this is unreal...
 
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Let's be honest, it is not that our assistants have made us a college basketball juggernaut either. :)

Having said that, SLU is a very poor choice for Goodwin. He could have done so much better, even if it was not our Illini.

Agreed. Kid has skills, and several offers to high major programs. Why waste that at SLU? Well, I know why, but still...
 
#88      
Let's be honest, it is not that our assistants have made us a college basketball juggernaut either. :)

Having said that, SLU is a very poor choice for Goodwin. He could have done so much better, even if it was not our Illini.

Exactly. There is a saying in real estate, you don't want to have the most expensive house in the neighborhood. And you don't want to be the first 4-star a school has successfully recruited in the past 20 years.
 
#89      
Man those darn downstate kids never get commit. It's that Irvin esque aau hype machine. We should just stop recruiting the metro. Oh wait...
 
#90      
Yep, this was so ugly I feel obliged to root against him now.
 
#92      
Being an Illini fan is a lot of things...boring and predictable is not one of them.

Silver lining is that we find out now and not on signing day as per norm. Hopefully, there is enough time left to institute "plan b".
 
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Not trying to be dramatic. I really wanted him. Now that's its over I'm not upset. I don't know if it because I have faith in direction program is going or because I'm used to leading until the end with these guys.....
 
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Not trying to be dramatic. I really wanted him. Now that's its over I'm not upset. I don't know if it because I have faith in direction program is going or because I'm used to leading until the end with these guys.....

Yeah, who even needs TV anymore with the circus act that we call recruiting. I just find the whole process entertaining at this point. Nobody should really be emotionally invested in this, really. Keep on keeping on and just enjoy the show.
 
#95      
Do not about other, but this is a blessing in disguise.

It opens another scholarship spot.

Frazier next weekend and then Scruggs.

No, it's not a blessing in disguise. He was a much wanted recruit, this is a blow to the future of the team.

It's not a killer, but it's a blow. The staff's recruitment of Goodwin shows how much they wanted him and thought he was integral.
 
#96      
Still find it amazing how the top IL High school players continue to choose other schools. Guess the last 5 or 10 years of losing will have that affect. But still, players just continue to look elsewhere. The thought of being a legacy at Illinois is just not that big a deal with IL recruits anymore. I'm pretty much cool with rooting for players from other states that commit here. Not sure just how out of it we are with the recruitment of Scruggs, but he'd be a fantastic get and would make us forget about JG.

Look next door at Indiana. Year after year, kids flee the state. Despite having four major programs in-State (vs just us in Illinois).

In the case of Goodwin, he bucked the trend and actually "stayed home." Just a bit closer to home than we would have liked.
 
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BananaShampoo

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Phoenix, AZ
Being an Illini fan is a lot of things...boring and predictable is not one of them.
Amen.

Look next door at Indiana. Year after year, kids flee the state. Despite having four major programs in-State (vs just us in Illinois).
Let's see: Indiana, Purdue, ND, and who else? Unless you are counting Butler in that mix? Wouldn't consider them that "major", though.
 
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No, it's not a blessing in disguise. He was a much wanted recruit, this is a blow to the future of the team.

It's not a killer, but it's a blow. The staff's recruitment of Goodwin shows how much they wanted him and thought he was integral.


We honestly wont know what it is until we see who takes the scholarship we were holding for him. So much changes so fast. None of us have any idea how this will turn out.