I'm referring to the division with two top 10 teams in it as of this morning. Sure it's extremely weak at the bottom. But the way this was said made it seem like, "B1G west, where anyone can come in and compete for the division title." I don't think its going to be that easy...
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I'm referring to the division with two top 10 teams in it as of this morning. Sure it's extremely weak at the bottom. But the way this was said made it seem like, "B1G west, where anyone can come in and compete for the division title." I don't think its going to be that easy...
I concur.
There's been some speculation that he's lost the fire and will retire but if not he's in a position to be very selective and I doubt PU would be attractive to him over others that might be open by the end of the season. Same with Fleck, he'll row to that boat to a more attractive job.
PU pulled a Illinois and kept the guy 1 year too long.
Mack Brown and Phil Fulmer might disagree.
I think I would agree that his stock is in the best shape of the three immediately post-firing, but I wouldn't agree with "a lot more cachet". You forget what big names Fulmer and Brown were.
Miles is 62, his national title was 10 years ago, and he's an offensive coach who has really, really struggled to score points against good teams, even with truly overwhelming talent.
Am I scared of him going to Purdue and stealing some of Lovie's thunder? Yeah, I'd be lying if I said I wasn't. But would I be scared of him going to Iowa or Nebraska and blotting out the sun in the B1G West with total dominance? Not in the slightest.
He'll get a better offer than PU. Fulmer and Brown were done and everybody knew it. Hatter might have some fuel left but watching him since the drama from last year and now I have my doubts. I'm not surprised if he just walks away from it all.
RedRocksIllini
- Morrison, CO
I gotta think PJ Fleck is the top target for Purdue. Lots of midwest ties, good coach and has shown he can extinguish a dumpster fire. Dump Hazell now so you can get an early start on negotiations.
Yeah - they should have done it last year and struck before Fleck caught fire. Now the competition for him is much stiffer.
You would assume he'd have better offers.
That said, what jobs are likely to come open? It's not looking like much of a carousel.
God knows what happens at Baylor.
Kingsbury might be in trouble at Texas Tech.
I still think Texas is good enough to save Charlie Strong.
The Bill Snyder retirement has to come some time, and they don't really have an in-house successor.
LSU is open.
Mark Stoops is in trouble at Kentucky (That's a pretty intriguing Fleck option)
Derek Mason is in trouble at Vandy
Paul Johnson is in trouble at Georgia Tech (Maybe a Miles fit?)
You'd figure Dave Doeren and Steve Addazio are fine, but who knows.
Purdue will be the only open job in the Big Ten. Unless Indiana wakes up and realizes the Kevin Wilson thing isn't gonna happen, but he just signed a massive extension.
Mark Helfrich is in big trouble at Oregon (That would be the most intriguing opening in years and years. We're 1000% sure that's a great job?)
Rich Rod should be fine and Clay Helton shouldn't but will be.
Oregon is a perfect match for Alabama's OC.:thumb:
Oh that would be fun.
Kiffin at Kentucky would be amazing too.
Oregon is a perfect match for Alabama's OC.
The domino effect will have the most bearing. Oregon will probably go with Scott Frost so that doesn't affect it too much. LSU will have the most impact if they go with Herman or another currently employed big name. If they go with Briles then not much trickle down effect there. Okie State might decide to pull the trigger. I'm sure Pat Frizgerald name will be brought up for all the big time openings LOL
People keep saying that, but that doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Frost represents absolutely no change at all from what they're doing. If that's the case, why not run it back with Helfrich, who is well liked, it's not like they WANT to fire him, and see if their current system is still viable?
The thing about Oregon is that they have a bunch of position coaches who have been there for literally like 25-30 years. Back to the Rich Brooks years. You're either breaking with that or you're not, and Scott Frost represents an uncomfortable compromise between the two.
Even the uniforms are lame for Oregon this year, it's amazing how fast a bad vibe has befallen that program. Phil Knight's money has bought them less staying power than you'd think.
Tactically they are the similar but that may be where the similarities end. I don't know that much about Frost but maybe his head coaching intangibles > than Helfrich's.
Illiniaaron
- Geneseo, IL
Some are thinking that Notre Dame might be open if their season continues like it is.
I very much doubt that, but we'll see.
Ransom Stoddard
Ordained Dudeist Priest
- Bloomington, IL
I can't see Miles going to Tech. Not high-profile enough.
But I could see Purdue picking up Johnson after he gets turfed by the Jackets. It just seems like a Purdue thing to do.
Explain to me the jobs you think would offer Les Miles. What are we actually talking about here?
Would he be a better choice than Ken Niumatalolo? Or even Jeff Monken?
I would love a triple option team in the Big Ten, that's a great style of football to watch, and it works.
IlliniInOK
- no longer in OK! Centralia, IL
I am glad we ended up with Lovie, but I would have loved a triple option coach if we hadn't. Also, I do think Fleck will go to a better option than Purdue.
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Ransom Stoddard
Ordained Dudeist Priest
- Bloomington, IL
Anyone who aspires to Miles-era LSU success, which was considerable. I'm not sure why he's written off as damaged goods. 114-34/62-28 with 2 appearances in the SEC tittle game, a National Championship, an NC runner-up, every season ending with a bowl, and only 2 seasons finished outside the top 25. That's a resume that I would expect a LOT of Power 5 programs would be after, but Miles can afford to be very, very picky because there aren't many other resumes like his. I also wouldn't be surprised if he got offered an HC spot in the league.
edit--I was rambling about Miles and not Johnson as it related to PU
No, Johnson is not a better choice. Johnson is not a better choice than Hazell. Tech has discovered that the emperor (such as he is) has no clothes but they can't afford to start over.
Again, be more specific.
Are we saying when USC fires Clay Helton in two years they're going to be breaking the bank to sign up a 65 year old Les Miles?
I think you're really underrating the age factor for one and the extent to which a firing at your previous stop takes away your sex appeal to high level jobs.
And that's to say nothing of the widespread perception, fair or not, that Miles won despite himself at LSU in a lot of different circumstances.
Out of curiosity, would you trade Lovie for Miles?
Ransom Stoddard
Ordained Dudeist Priest
- Bloomington, IL
A national championship and 3 SEC West titles aren't specific enough for you? 9 straight bowl seasons isn't specific? I guess I don't understand what you're looking for, except that maybe you don't like Les Miles.
I doubt he'll be available in 2 years. I doubt he'll be available in 3 months.
I think you're placing too much emphasis on the age factor. Miles will turn 63 in November, but Lovie Smith is 58, Saban is 64, Mike Riley got hired at Nebraska when he was 61 (following a not-so-impressive 12 year run at Oregon State). In fact, that's a great point--if a slightly-better-than-average coach like Mike Riley can get a job at an historically successful program like Nebraska, why is Miles, with a much more impressive resume, such a reach? (yes, I'm aware that Husker nation is mostly furious with the hire)
It's not unthinkable for coaches to be successful into their 70's--Bowden won a Championship at 69 and 1st in the Atlantic Division of the ACC at 78. Bear Bryant coached into his late 60's, and of course there's Paterno. I think you're also putting too much emphasis on Miles being fired from the SEC. Ron Freaking Zook got a job after being fired, with far less resume. Mark Richt got a pretty plum job less than 2 weeks after being fired from UGA--probably a better job for him in the long run. Being fired from upper-tier SEC programs is not a black mark for probably 75% of the AD's out there.
Your definition of widespread is not the same as my definition of widespread. While a lot of analysts and media folks saw this coming, I haven't seen too many who thought it was deserved. Yes, LSU fans and boosters (I know a fair number) were calling for his head, some even doing so as far back as 2008 because the Tigers slipped to 3rd in the West after the NC season, and the seat got hot again in 2011 because he lost the NC game. His relationship with LSU fans has regressed ever since and 3 weeks in November 2015 broke the camel's back, but it doesn't change his abilities as a coach. A good AD sees through the media and message board nonsense.
That's an irrelevant question in October of 2016. If it had been asked in February 2016 I would probably have taken Miles. He's a proven factor in college FB and Lovie was--and still is--a question mark as a college HC. Lovie's our coach, but if for some reason he weren't and Miles were available--I'd be rooting very hard for Les Miles to be hired at Illinois. Imagine--a coach who has been to 2 national championships coaching Illinois.
Sorry if I was unclear, I meant be more specific as to the types of job offers you think he would get.
Well, that dramatically limits the pool of available openings doesn't it?
Your last sentence is my point. Random stuff happens. Could Miles take over at Texas? Crazier things have happened. But there's no reason to think he's on their list.
You're talking about fully built programs with longtime assistants operating on autopilot there. Different story.
Yeah, he got Illinois. A Purdue-like job. You said Georgia Tech wasn't good enough for Miles.
Younger guy with virtually the same resume going to his alma mater who was desperate to hire an alum. Michigan ain't available, and Miami isn't Michigan anymore.
Well, when your standard is "better jobs than Georgia Tech" we're talking about the other 25% of AD's.
"Deserved" isn't the question. "Deserved" was the logic that brought Ron Zook to Illinois, literally.
I would probably have leaned towards Miles too, for the same reason. Just to show you I don't hate Les Miles.
But there's a massive gulf between the kinds of candidates Illinois can get and the kinds of candidates a Notre Dame or a Texas can get. Miles doesn't stand out on the latter list. He's the most accomplished, yes, but he's also the only one past his best and the only one who has meaningfully failed in his career. Tom Herman hasn't.