Illinois 81, Nebraska 71 Postgame

#251      
I know many have suggested bringing Belo off of the bench when he comes back, which at first glance I think is a little crazy.

I like the idea of him coming off the bench. I have zero info on practice and how the team has adjusted so it's a wildly uninformed opinion on my part. The reason I like it though is the simple 'if it ain't broke don't fix it' reasoning. If AC comes off the bench, it's a chance for the team to adjust to his style of play in game situations with very little pressure. I like our current spacing with Trent and Plummer and how the offense is running. AC is a wizard, but I don't think he's as much a threat from deep, and I wonder how that could throw off what's working.
 
#252      
There is a difference as Sergio was a verbal leader and the everyday guy and the glue on that team but Trent will end up in the top 5 overall scoring even though its a extra season but still, Trent is a special player and one that will have his name in the rafters one day.
This is NOT a knock on Trent. It's a knock on thoughts of what numbers will be hanging. That is supposed to be an "elite" honor. An honor for Players of the Year, All Americans, etc. Kofi makes that cut.

TF has been a great ambassador for the university, he's been loyal, he's been a swiss army knife for his team....he's the kind of kid that a coach dreams about having. That said, has he ever been even mentioned for conference player of the year? How highly is he thought of when All Conference teams have been elected?

We love TF. He's earned that. Like someone said, he's an everyday, lunch pail, bring the effort daily guy. However, if you do that for him, you open the door for a LOT of numbers being up there.

Is Malcolm Hill up there yet?

That honor has to remain for the who's who of Illinois basketball. Again, not a knock on TF. Just can't start putting every number in the rafters for a fan favorite or just a really, really good player. BU seems to be a little flippant when he makes that comments, but he should be. He loves his guys.
 
#253      
Don't want to slight Trent, Damontes and others role in last nights win....but my goodness OMAR PAYNE!.....if we can get this type of performance from Omar when Kofi is on the bench that's making us.....very very dangerous.....I really, really mean it...
 
#254      
Omar saved the game for us last night. Hope he can build on that. Maybe practice lob play with Andre. Showed some potential of why Brad recruited him.
Not sure if it was after this game or just somewhat recently, but BU said Payne has probably been the most negatively impacted by Curbelo’s absence because he is a very good (might actually have said elite 😃) screen and roll player. Nice to see him make that play. And his rim protection was huge.
 
#255      
Don't want to slight Trent, Damontes and others role in last nights win....but my goodness OMAR PAYNE!.....if we can get this type of performance from Omar when Kofi is on the bench that's making us.....very very dangerous.....I really, really mean it...
If we get that type of performance from Omar, AND Curbelo comes back and is in top form by the tournament, we could be very dangerous. But both those are big ifs. I'm worried Curbelo is out for the year.
 
#256      

GallopingGhost

Denver, CO
Was going to wait until everyone played 4 conference games, but Michigan is in no hurry to play more conference games, so here's an updated EM standings:

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Illinois' insane EM lessened slightly today, but their EM today was effectively what MSU's has been for the whole season so far.

Nebraska still also significantly worse than anyone else so far.

Illinois has played 5 of the bottom 6 teams in EM so far (which likely contributes to why they are 5 of the bottom 6 at this point). The concern there is they are now done playing Minnesota and Nebraska for the season. The only non-quality game they have left is March 3 vs PSU.
Not looking forward to playing at Indiana this year. Last years game still haunts me…

I can hear the whistles in my nightmares
 
#257      

skyIdub

Winged Warrior
My hope for the banner Trent and Monte get is National Champions.
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#258      
Well, if we covered another two of those games, we would be 3-2 vs the spread.
Perhaps we lose the two where we don’t cover, but hey, at least we covered more than not…..
Would that be a preference?
All I care about is the win, and in the BIG 10 every win is gold.
Seems many posters do their best to try to identify negatives when we should be thrilled being 5-0 in the conference.
Enjoy the ride and let’s hope it continues.
You're right. It's a silly thing to get hung up on in a victory thread. I agree and didn't expect to get so much push back (though I should have). My last rebuttal.

I wanted to see if the opponents we struggled against (Marquette, Cincinnati, UTRGV, AZ, Nebraska) had any shared characteristics. Except for the anomaly that is Cincinnati, they're all inside Kenpoms top 50 for AdjT. I found that interesting. But I guess I'm the only one. ATS was simply used as a quick way to objectively quantify "struggle". You can pick a different metric to do that, but I don't think it'll change the outcome. In my opinion, if you want to pick at that data, rather than taking issue with ATS, you should bring up the point that one of those games was played without our best player. Or that one of those games we actually played a really solid 38 minutes despite losing. Or that 5 games might not be a sufficient sample size. But it's not a hot take to say we have struggled against AdjT top 50 teams. If you choose to believe that's just a coincidence, that's fine.

Some people watch sports like it's a firework display or like it's their favorite sitcom and just want to be entertained. That's cool. I, like many sports fans, enjoy looking at the stats. Why? Curiosity, I suppose. Some people are naturally curious, some aren't.

I expect Illinois to win the B1G and feel they have just as much of a chance to go to the Final Four as any team in the country. That's with or without Belo. How's that for negativity?
 
#259      

Big Jack

Decatur
#260      
Payne played so well, that we didn’t even put Kofi back in the game once he had 4!!

Something just felt really off about this game. Everyone looked exhausted coming off 5 days rest, especially Kofi. He looked GASSED all game, and it showed defensively. Between that and Belo talking to the officials and chucking up a three from the bench, it just felt like we collectively did not have our heads in this one. I say all of this, yet we pull out a double digit B1G road win. Heck of an effort by the bench down the stretch, and TF does what TF does. Hope we get that 3-point stroke back. We haven’t had it these last couple games. Hope this team gets some rest before Friday and comes out with some fire!!
High usage for kofi this game. Offense was having issues, a lot went through Kofi.
Defensively, Nebraska was attacking Kofi, or putting him in screen situations a lot. So, both ends of the floor, a lot of effort. I don’t think other teams have attacked him so much. Add in 2nd half from Maryland, maybe that contributed as well?
 
#263      

JFGsCoffeeMug

BU:1 Trash cans:0
Chicago
You're right. It's a silly thing to get hung up on in a victory thread. I agree and didn't expect to get so much push back (though I should have). My last rebuttal.

I wanted to see if the opponents we struggled against (Marquette, Cincinnati, UTRGV, AZ, Nebraska) had any shared characteristics. Except for the anomaly that is Cincinnati, they're all inside Kenpoms top 50 for AdjT. I found that interesting. But I guess I'm the only one. ATS was simply used as a quick way to objectively quantify "struggle". You can pick a different metric to do that, but I don't think it'll change the outcome. In my opinion, if you want to pick at that data, rather than taking issue with ATS, you should bring up the point that one of those games was played without our best player. Or that one of those games we actually played a really solid 38 minutes despite losing. Or that 5 games might not be a sufficient sample size. But it's not a hot take to say we have struggled against AdjT top 50 teams. If you choose to believe that's just a coincidence, that's fine.

Some people watch sports like it's a firework display or like it's their favorite sitcom and just want to be entertained. That's cool. I, like many sports fans, enjoy looking at the stats. Why? Curiosity, I suppose. Some people are naturally curious, some aren't.

I expect Illinois to win the B1G and feel they have just as much of a chance to go to the Final Four as any team in the country. That's with or without Belo. How's that for negativity?
Why are you focused on AdjT?
 
#268      
I thought he looked sluggish from the start. I dont think was 100% feeling well.
Seemed to me that Kofi wanted to shoot over his left shoulder and turned into the double when he could have turned the other way for a largely uncontested shot. Have not noticed this in previous games but maybe Nebby did.
 
#269      
You're right. It's a silly thing to get hung up on in a victory thread. I agree and didn't expect to get so much push back (though I should have). My last rebuttal.

I wanted to see if the opponents we struggled against (Marquette, Cincinnati, UTRGV, AZ, Nebraska) had any shared characteristics. Except for the anomaly that is Cincinnati, they're all inside Kenpoms top 50 for AdjT. I found that interesting. But I guess I'm the only one. ATS was simply used as a quick way to objectively quantify "struggle". You can pick a different metric to do that, but I don't think it'll change the outcome. In my opinion, if you want to pick at that data, rather than taking issue with ATS, you should bring up the point that one of those games was played without our best player. Or that one of those games we actually played a really solid 38 minutes despite losing. Or that 5 games might not be a sufficient sample size. But it's not a hot take to say we have struggled against AdjT top 50 teams. If you choose to believe that's just a coincidence, that's fine.

Some people watch sports like it's a firework display or like it's their favorite sitcom and just want to be entertained. That's cool. I, like many sports fans, enjoy looking at the stats. Why? Curiosity, I suppose. Some people are naturally curious, some aren't.

I expect Illinois to win the B1G and feel they have just as much of a chance to go to the Final Four as any team in the country. That's with or without Belo. How's that for negativity?
I for one, think this is excellent analysis. It also makes perfect sense to me that a team missing their star point guard would struggle with top AdjT teams. Exactly what advanced metrics are for - identify weaknesses that opponents may attempt to exploit. Thanks for sharing.
 
#270      
You're right. It's a silly thing to get hung up on in a victory thread. I agree and didn't expect to get so much push back (though I should have). My last rebuttal.

I wanted to see if the opponents we struggled against (Marquette, Cincinnati, UTRGV, AZ, Nebraska) had any shared characteristics. Except for the anomaly that is Cincinnati, they're all inside Kenpoms top 50 for AdjT. I found that interesting. But I guess I'm the only one. ATS was simply used as a quick way to objectively quantify "struggle". You can pick a different metric to do that, but I don't think it'll change the outcome. In my opinion, if you want to pick at that data, rather than taking issue with ATS, you should bring up the point that one of those games was played without our best player. Or that one of those games we actually played a really solid 38 minutes despite losing. Or that 5 games might not be a sufficient sample size. But it's not a hot take to say we have struggled against AdjT top 50 teams. If you choose to believe that's just a coincidence, that's fine.

Some people watch sports like it's a firework display or like it's their favorite sitcom and just want to be entertained. That's cool. I, like many sports fans, enjoy looking at the stats. Why? Curiosity, I suppose. Some people are naturally curious, some aren't.

I expect Illinois to win the B1G and feel they have just as much of a chance to go to the Final Four as any team in the country. That's with or without Belo. How's that for negativity?
I don't agree with the FF - we have no one that is able to get in the lane and make things happen. If our shooters aren't having a great night, we'll have trouble against top teams. If we get Belo back and he's close to top four come Tourney time, I would agree with your statement.

I do agree we have a decent chance of winning the Conference.
 
#271      
Why are you focused on AdjT?
It's not really that I'm focused on it. I was just looking at the profile of all the teams I mentioned, and that's the thing that stood out to me. Despite being otherwise vastly different teams , they all have a really high AdjT. It may be nothing. It may just be a coincidence or some kind of statistical oddity. But when I was looking for a common thread between all of our sluggish games, that's the first thing that caught my attention.
 
#273      

Ignatius Shang

5th year PhD, school of Information Sciences
Champaign, IL
Welcome. When is the best time to plant a tree begin watching Illini basketball?

20 years ago.

When is the second-best time? Today.

:illinois::hailtotheorange::alma-mater::ah:
Plus, the best thing is I began watching from the beginning of 2019-20 season, and the 1st game I watched in State Farm Center was the one we got upset by Miami (FL). What is even greater than watching a powerhouse that is already very solid is to see your team spiraling up.
 
#275      
Sometimes basketball is a beautiful game…and sometimes it’s a monkey knife fight and you do whatever you can to survive

And whichever way the game goes... the truly good (shall we say 'Elite'?) teams rise to the occasion when the game is tight and on the line. That's the best takeaway from what happened in Cornhusker land last night... that the Illini did just this. Good lesson for the season and Madness Time.

Magic Johnson used to call this crunch "Winnin' Time".

Good teams 'know' they are going to win when it is crunch time. Mediocre and poor teams don't believe in themselves and literally will themselves to lose. That's why so many 'good' teams win those one and two point games. They 'knew' they were going to win and did just enough to do it. As many years as hoops has been around, this never seems to change.